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Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 6:14 am
by Stevieb
Could anybody please confirm if any of these Small Whites are
Pieris mannii?
Also I think the Skipper is Southern Grizzled Skipper could anyone confirm this too?
Many thanks in advance
Steve
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 7:00 am
by selbypaul
I'd say that looks good for Southern Small White, I think
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 12:32 pm
by David M
I reckon that's malvae, Steve. No line of small, white submarginal spots that you see in Spialia.
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 1:53 pm
by Stevieb
selbypaul wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 7:00 am
I'd say that looks good for Southern Small White, I think
Thanks for your prompt reply Paul
David M wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:32 pm
I reckon that's
malvae, Steve. No line of small, white submarginal spots that you see in
Spialia.
Thank you David. According to the Butterflies of Croatia site Grizzled Skipper is absent from the Istria Peninsular and Southern only found on the Peninsular
https://butterfliesofcroatia.com/pyrgus-malvae/
https://butterfliesofcroatia.com/pyrgus-malvoides/
I will have to delve deeper!
Steve
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:31 pm
by Padfield
I think David misread your post, thinking you meant a Spialia species. I think your skipper is indeed southern grizzled, Pyrgus malvoides.
As for the whites, I think they probably are manii, though I find it interesting how different they are from my local mannii. It's also interesting that the underside shot(s) show a hint of the fork in v.7, which in my part of the world pretty much rules out mannii. This feature has been called into question in the last few years and it may be that it is not universally applicable.
Guy
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 6:04 pm
by Stevieb
Padfield wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:31 pm
I think David misread your post, thinking you meant a
Spialia species. I think your skipper is indeed southern grizzled,
Pyrgus malvoides.
As for the whites, I think they probably are
manii, though I find it interesting how different they are from my local
mannii. It's also interesting that the underside shot(s) show a hint of the fork in v.7, which in my part of the world pretty much rules out
mannii. This feature has been called into question in the last few years and it may be that it is not universally applicable.
Guy
Many thanks for your input Guy, much appreciated
Steve
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 6:22 pm
by David M
Stevieb wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 1:53 pm...Thank you David. According to the Butterflies of Croatia site Grizzled Skipper is absent from the Istria Peninsular and Southern only found on the Peninsular..
No worries, Steve. I haven't a clue where the Maginot line is in eastern Europe.