Could anybody please confirm if any of these Small Whites are Pieris mannii?
Also I think the Skipper is Southern Grizzled Skipper could anyone confirm this too?
Many thanks in advance
Steve
Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
I'd say that looks good for Southern Small White, I think
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
I reckon that's malvae, Steve. No line of small, white submarginal spots that you see in Spialia.
Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Thanks for your prompt reply Paul
Thank you David. According to the Butterflies of Croatia site Grizzled Skipper is absent from the Istria Peninsular and Southern only found on the Peninsular
https://butterfliesofcroatia.com/pyrgus-malvae/
https://butterfliesofcroatia.com/pyrgus-malvoides/
I will have to delve deeper!
Steve
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Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
I think David misread your post, thinking you meant a Spialia species. I think your skipper is indeed southern grizzled, Pyrgus malvoides.
As for the whites, I think they probably are manii, though I find it interesting how different they are from my local mannii. It's also interesting that the underside shot(s) show a hint of the fork in v.7, which in my part of the world pretty much rules out mannii. This feature has been called into question in the last few years and it may be that it is not universally applicable.
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As for the whites, I think they probably are manii, though I find it interesting how different they are from my local mannii. It's also interesting that the underside shot(s) show a hint of the fork in v.7, which in my part of the world pretty much rules out mannii. This feature has been called into question in the last few years and it may be that it is not universally applicable.
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Re: Croatia (Istrian Peninsular) Small Whites
Many thanks for your input Guy, much appreciatedPadfield wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:31 pm I think David misread your post, thinking you meant a Spialia species. I think your skipper is indeed southern grizzled, Pyrgus malvoides.
As for the whites, I think they probably are manii, though I find it interesting how different they are from my local mannii. It's also interesting that the underside shot(s) show a hint of the fork in v.7, which in my part of the world pretty much rules out mannii. This feature has been called into question in the last few years and it may be that it is not universally applicable.
Guy
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