Wierd

Discussion forum for getting a butterfly identified.
Post Reply
MartinJ
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:30 am

Wierd

Post by MartinJ »

Image

Top half looks like Red Admiral but the bottom half is all wrong for RA. Cross breed? Aboration? All input gratefully received.

Martin.
User avatar
Mark Colvin
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 1001
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:13 am
Location: West Sussex

Re: Wierd

Post by Mark Colvin »

Hi Martin,

This is a New Zealand Red Admiral (Vanessa gonerilla).

Kind regards. Mark
MartinJ
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:30 am

Re: Wierd

Post by MartinJ »

Thank you very much. It was taken by someone I know and didn't get the chance to ask him where ho took it yet. I shall now dumbfound with my newly aquired knowledge :lol:

Martin.
User avatar
David M
Posts: 17795
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:17 pm
Location: South Wales

Re: Wierd

Post by David M »

What a beautiful insect!
User avatar
John W
Posts: 344
Joined: Sun May 08, 2011 11:06 pm

Re: Wierd

Post by John W »

I thought someone had been playing with Photoshop when I first saw it!
User avatar
MikeOxon
Posts: 2656
Joined: Fri May 27, 2011 2:06 pm
Location: Oxfordshire

Re: Wierd

Post by MikeOxon »

Another interesting glimpse of evolution! The New Zealand form persists there and the British form here. I expect both show small variability in their home ranges but not much. What makes individual species patterns so persistent and yet different in different places?
User avatar
David M
Posts: 17795
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:17 pm
Location: South Wales

Re: Wierd

Post by David M »

I'm intrigued as to why evolution has dictated that this southern hemisphere form has bold spots on the periphery of the hindwings whereas the northern version does not.
User avatar
Pete Eeles
Administrator & Stock Contributor
Administrator & Stock Contributor
Posts: 6779
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:10 pm
Location: Thatcham, Berkshire
Contact:

Re: Wierd

Post by Pete Eeles »

I wonder what the common ancestor looked like! Anyway, they're different because they have different environmental forces acting upon them. For example, there may be an avian predator in the southern hemisphere that isn't found in the northern hemisphere, hence the spots. That's how evolution works :)

Cheers,

- Pete
Life Cycles of British & Irish Butterflies: http://www.butterflylifecycles.com
British & Irish Butterflies Rarities: http://www.butterflyrarities.com
User avatar
Padfield
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 8182
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:19 pm
Location: Leysin, Switzerland
Contact:

Re: Wierd

Post by Padfield »

Similar (but less exaggerated) spots are found on some of the more distantly related painted ladies, like the American painted lady and the West Coast lady:

http://www.wildutah.us/html/butterflies ... adult.html

This suggests their evolutionary origin predates the divergence of red admirals and painted ladies.

Guy
Guy's Butterflies: https://www.guypadfield.com
The Butterflies of Villars-Gryon : https://www.guypadfield.com/villarsgryonbook.html
Post Reply

Return to “Identification”