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I reckon I couldn't have picked a worse place to live.

South Nottinghamshire is my patch. West Bridgford to be specific. Home of the Trent Bridge Test cricket ground, the (former) National Watersports Centre at Holme Pierrepont, (former) Tory bigwig Ken Clarke, a Marks & Spencers, a few charity shops and... nothing much else.

I moved from Yorkshire to study and then settled in Nottingham - for a youth it had so much more to offer. Great nightlife, music venues, shops, job opportunities... but as a maturing adult the allure has all but vanished.

Nottinghamshire has no RHS gardens, very little National Trust presence, no nature reserves of national import, no dramatic hills or mountains, no coastline, no castles (Nottingham Castle is actually a dull Manor house on a hill), not even any forest to speak of (Robin Hood is spinning in his grave with what's left of Sherwood turned over to CenterParcs.)

Consequently wildlife does not abound. The birds don't sing. The blooms don't have the habitat to flower. And the butterflies don't flit.

Not for me the Wood or Marbled White, any of the many fritillaries, the Wall and Grayling are a thing of the past. Adonis, Chalkhill, Silver-Studded; Blues Small and Large are southern-softies. Purple Emperors, White Admirals, Brown and Black Hairstreaks are nothing but a fanciful notion in a mythical woodland glade. The climate is too dull for our geographical extremists. Even the Large Heath gives Notts a wide berth.

Only 20-odd species exist in Nottinghamshire. Most of these are so common I have seen them in my garden (a tiny 10-by-10 metre square in suburbia). The others are skippers and hairstreaks. Tiny, but viewable, populations of Dingy and Grizzled - and scarcer (I've never seen one) of Green, Purple and White-Letter.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places... maybe I live in the wrong place.

My point? Nothing really. But it's good to vent, and I'm glad I got that off my chest...

But... an idea strikes me... late.

Is there a league table for different counties classified by the number of species to be found therein? If there is, is Nottinghamshire at the bottom? Can anyone provide a link?

If there isn't then maybe we should make one. There are plenty of people here - from everywhere - with the requisite knowledge. People from Hampshire, Somerset, Sussex, Dorset, Gloucester, Kent - go on, post up your number. Make me jealous.

Make me sell-up and move. :D
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celery wrote:Is there a league table for different counties classified by the number of species to be found therein? If there is, is Nottinghamshire at the bottom? Can anyone provide a link?
Try this (slightly out of date data):

http://www.ukbutterflies.co.uk/distribu ... tspots.php

You need to move to SU22 :)

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Celery

I'm in Nuthall over the other side of Notts. I agree there are very few places of huge interest. The only advantage is that we are situated in the centre of the country so can travel easily in any direction. Helped me to find all 58 buts this year in mainland britain.

Have you tried Attenborough nature reserve for Bitterns and wildfowl and Bunny Wood is supposed to be OK for Purple and White-letter Hairstreaks.
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I live in Devon (North), and it is a pretty good place to live for butterflies.
Resident are-
Small Skipper, Large Skipper, Dingy Skipper, Grizzled Skipper, Wood White, Brimstone, Large White, Small White, Green-veined, Orange Tip, Green Hairstreak, Brown Hairstreak, Purple Hairstreak, White Letter Hairstreak, Small Copper, Small Blue, Silver Studded Blue, Brown Argus, Common Blue, Holly Blue, White Admiral, Small Tortoiseshell, Peacock, Comma, Small Pearl Bordered Fritillary, Pearl Bordered Fritillary, High Brown Fritillary,
Dark Green Fritillary, Silver-washed Fritillary, Marsh Fritillary, Heath Fritillary, Speckled Wood, Wall, Marbled White, Grayling, Gatekeeper, Meadow Brown, Ringlet, Small Heath
(39)
Common migrants (poss Resident)-
Red Admiral, Painted Lady, Clouded Yellow (3) (42)
Possibly resident-
Essex Skipper, Chalkhill Blue, Purple Emperor, Large Blue. (4) (46)
To be certain of Large Blue, and to Add Glanvilles and Dukes I only have a shortish drive (50 to 70 miles) into Somerset. (48)
I don't have an enormous distance to travel (80 to 150 miles) for the Chalk specialists - Adonis Blue, Silver-spotted Skipper and Lulworth Skipper. (51)
A resonable haul (200 to 250 miles) is needed for Black Hairstreak, and Swallowtail (53).
The Northern ones need an even longer haul (300 to 500 miles) - Northern Brown Argus, Scotch Argus, Large Heath, Mountain Ringlet and, of course, Chequered Skipper. (58)
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Paul - Bunny Old Wood is one of my regular walks. I know the place is renowned for its White-letter Hairstreaks but I've never been lucky enough to see one (I must be looking up the wrong trees :oops: ). Purple hairstreaks? I doubt it, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

The same goes for Cotgrave Forest (more of a plantation than a forest :roll: ) which is supposed to harbour both Green and Purple Hairstreaks - albeit in tiny colonies... but not in my experience it doesn't. :x

Bitterns at Attenborough? They do have a chalkboard of latest sightings promising all kinds of wonderful things... but with its eco-tastic Visitor Centre, pushchair-friendly boardwalks and all-consuming cafe... it's just too popular.

Also, nothing illustrates the parlous state of butterflies in Notts. better than Attenborough - where they have cordoned off an area to make a habitat (perhaps, maybe, if we're lucky, in the future) suitable for Common (nothing more exotic than that, I'm afraid) Blues. Sheesh!
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There's loads of hedgerow elm along the A453(?) running south out of Nottingham city towards the M1. This ought to support small but (relatively) easily visible populations of WLH.
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I feel for you celery. I had thought I was hard done by with 24 species within about 500 metres distance from home and another Purple Hairstreak about 1.5 kilometres away. Used to get Wall Brown in the garden but that is history. However, Marbled White has become well established in the area in the past years and I’m sure White Letter Hairstreak must occur somewhere but I just can’t pin it down.

But Nottingham has had some famous residents in the past. Somebody called Jack Harrison was at university there 1957-60 :)

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Simon

I spent many an hour at Bunny Old Wood in 2009 and turned up zero as you did with WLH but always presumed I was too late in the day as I only visited after work. Apparently a Purple hairstreak was found mating with a WLH a few years back and then PH supposedly colonised the wood at a later date. Only what I read on the net.

I'd heard cotgrave woods had Purple Hairstreak, didn't know that Green was supposed to be there. May have a wander this season. Like you I don't hold out much hope but need to stay local after my expenditure last year.

I've wardened at Attenborough for a few years now as has my Dad. He found WLH at Meadow Lane end of the reserve a few years ago. This was the only sighting. Some friends found Purple Hairstreak there last year along Church Path.

Have a look at my website and follow Attenborough link from my index page. I have my own website for Attenborough with butterflies etc. Please bear in mind this site was produced before I really became interested in butterflies.

There are definitely bitterns there. At the moment there are around four roosting in the reed bed on Clifton Pit. I actually had a count of 7 last winter when it was well frozen. I have some film of one on my web video gallery currently showing on Notts Wildlife Trust YouTube pages.

I agree about the numbers of folks down there. I went last Saturday to look for Bitterns and the car park was over flowing even at 8-30 in the morning and the fishermen had frightened off the Bitterns from a very favourable spot for filming them. Damn that visitor centre.
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Paul - that's a lovely website you've put together for Attenborough and I certainly didn't intend to malign the excellent work done around the county by the wardens and volunteers of the Wildlife Trust, Butterfly Conservation, etc. So I apologise if my attempt at flippant humour came across as a little harsh.

All I'm really saying is that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Nottinghamshire really isn't blessed with anything like its fair share of natural resources. For anyone interested in wildlife it really is a boring place. As you say yourself, one of the best things about it is how relatively easy it is to escape to somewhere better.

What we really need is something that can only been found here - a Notts USP if you will - and I don't mean something as humdrum as the Nottingham Catchfly. We need maybe a new species of deer... the Robin Hood Stag. Or a Friar Tuck Orchid. Or maybe a Little John Skipper. Or maybe even a Maid Marian's Tit. :D
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Hi Celery

Not sure why I became defensive of Notts because you are quite correct it is, pretty much, a pile of pants when it comes to wildlife of any great interest, although I,m sure my dad would disagree and find some spectacular hoverfly. Thinking about it, there are some good fungi around the Major Oak, Sherwood Forest area, so I've heard (not an expert on Fungi).

Don't worry I wasn't offended in any way and Maid Marian's Tit sounds good to me. I'll keep an eye out.
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celery:
Or maybe even a Maid Marian's Tit
I'd be happier to see a pair.

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Jack Harrison wrote:celery:
Or maybe even a Maid Marian's Tit
I'd be happier to see a pair.
I'm sure that'd appeal to cock Robin.
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Friar Tuck Orchid
Better not ask James Naughtie to say that one :twisted:

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What has come over you boys in the last couple of days?!!!
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celery wrote:What we really need is something that can only been found here - a Notts USP if you will -
How about Welsh Clearwing (Sherwood Forest is one of only two English locations - as the moth also occurs in Scotland and I think Ireland as well perhaps it ought to be renamed) or the very local Scarce Vapourer http://www.butterfly-conservation.org/u ... pourer.pdf. Both moths, but at least they are day-flying ones!
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In truth I only started this thread in an attempt to drive property prices in the area down, so I could afford to move to a snazzier house. :D

But... I'm a little disappointed that nobody else wanted to confess that the places they live aren't equally as unblessed as Nottinghamshire...

...don't we have any members from South or West Yorkshire? Staffordshire? Or... Wales? :wink: :D
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Sorry - where I live is great. :)
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celery wrote:In truth I only started this thread in an attempt to drive property prices in the area down, so I could afford to move to a snazzier house. :D

But... I'm a little disappointed that nobody else wanted to confess that the places they live aren't equally as unblessed as Nottinghamshire...

...don't we have any members from South or West Yorkshire? Staffordshire? Or... Wales? :wink: :D
I cut my butterflying teeth in an appalling region - the industrial north west of England.

For many years all I could count on seeing on my patch were the common Vanessids, Small Coppers, Common Blues, Meadow & Wall Browns and Large Skippers.

Throughout that period, two things stand out: a Hedge Brown and a migrating Clouded Yellow.

I daresay these days even the Wall Browns have gone (although there are probably occasional Commas to compensate).
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Move to East Lothian for a year and then move back to Nottinghamshire. After you have seen how the farmers have destroyed the habitat here and the consequential lack of butterflies you will long for the species you used to see down south! :D
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Hi Celery,

Your quote below :

Also, nothing illustrates the parlous state of butterflies in Notts. better than Attenborough - where they have cordoned off an area to make a habitat (perhaps, maybe, if we're lucky, in the future) suitable for Common (nothing more exotic than that, I'm afraid) Blues.

I have visited Attenborough recently and the area which I thought was cordoned off for butterflies has now been used to create a different man made habitat for waders!! If I am wrong (and I hope I am) then please will somebody let me know!!

George
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