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Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:10 pm
by Philzoid
Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:12 pm
by David M
I'd say H is parthenoides. Not at all sure about the pyronia.
Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:36 pm
by Philzoid
David M wrote:I'd say H is parthenoides. Not at all sure about the pyronia.
Is that Just H? Not sure what the distinguishing feature is for parthenoides but the forewing broken post discal line is one of the features I've been using going for and D looks a good candidate .... perhaps
wonder if Guy can chip in with regard to the Pyronia (and the dark underside Erebia from France post 7
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). Afterwards I promise to let it rest
Also Any views on the white?
Phil
Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:52 pm
by David M
Image D isn't demonstrating that 'backslash' that is indicative of parthenoides, so I would personally not be convinced were these my photographs. That doesn't mean it isn't, it just means I'm not sure (I guess Roger or Guy will be better placed to judge).
Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:25 pm
by Philzoid
I see what you mean about the slash ... "oblique in s1b" and image H certainly has it better than the others.
Thanks David
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Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:00 am
by Tony Moore
Are there any underside characteristics, which enable the separation of athalia and parthenoides? and, for that matter varia. Are the experts able to distinguish any of these difficult M species by jizz? I'm hoping to see these species next year and any tips would be very much appreciated.
Tony M.
Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:04 am
by Roger Gibbons
The s1 upf discal mark of D is oblique-ish and large and certainly not classic, but probably within the bounds of parthenoides. I wouldn’t rule it out on this. Also the uph discal line is missing, suggestive of male parthenoides, although athalia can sometimes exhibit this. The absence of shading around the upf marginal lunule in s2 is quite strongly pointing away from athalia, so I would be inclined to conclude that parthenoides is favourite here.
G could well be a female parthenoides.
N could be deione. It looks very red, although this could just be the camera angle or shade. The underside of the palpi look rather orange, which would be strongly indicative of deione. I very rarely see the deione underside, so I’m working from limited experience – Guy will know better than me.
The Pyronia is almost certainly cecilia as Chris says.
Must stop looking at these at midnight!
Roger
Re: Fritillaries from Southern France part 2
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:22 pm
by Philzoid
Thanks very much Roger and for dissecting out the various clues to parthenoides
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. I'm also pleased to have persisted with the
Pyronia cecilia with big thanks to Chris Jackson for spotting my error and for his back-up photos and info
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Roger Gibbons wrote:Must stop looking at these at midnight!
That's because there are people like me posting in stuff
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. One of these days I'll get an early night (@ Camel)
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BTW image A intrigues me too. Sorry, ignore that last statement
Phil