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Polish Blues

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:48 am
by Vince Massimo
I have had a couple of photos sent to me by a friend visiting Poland. Both taken in Krakow this week.
The first is the size of a Large Blue
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The second is quite small
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I have an idea what they may be, but would welcome confirmation.

A Copper was also seen which I have tentatively identified as a Large Copper ssp dispar.
Copper150804a.PST.PLv.jpg
Many thanks,
Vince

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:25 am
by Padfield
Hi Vince. The first blue looks most like telejus. You can confirm this by asking about the habitat and presence of sanguisorbe. The next is argiades. I agree with the copper.

Nice set of three butterflies to see!

Guy

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:19 pm
by Matsukaze
A pedant writes...I do not question the identity of the Large Copper, but it is not Lycaena dispar dispar, which is the extinct British sub-species.

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:35 pm
by Padfield
Good point Matsukaze. I didn't read that attentively enough.

I don't like being outpedanted!! :D

Guy

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:01 pm
by Vince Massimo
Many thanks for your input Guy and Matsukaze :D . I will pass the information on.

Vince

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:10 am
by rezamink
Many thanks to Vince and Guy for ID help!

I'm now back from Krakow, but am disappointed to find there are NO books available on Polish Butterflies (I guess this means they must be very under recorded?)

In terms of the Large Blue, unfortunately it was Blowing a gale at the time, I found it on a clump of tall reddish flowers (Very possibly burnett), impossible to get a photo as it was moving about too much... eventually it got blown off into the grass where I took the shot. I've included a habitat shot from just further along. It's the grass bank between the large river and the (rather nice!) cycleway.
Large Blue site Krakow.JPG
Fabulously my new camera has built in GPS which tags the photo's! so the position of the large blue shot was:
Lat: 50;2;13.668
Long: 19;53;35.406
Alt: 206.4

I had a further hour or so Yesterday before we flew out, I managed to find a superb grassland site which was overrun with blues... loads of photos to sort out! but will upload further shots as I progress!

Here's a very small blue that looked rather like a silver-studded? the two shots of underwings and uppers are of the same individual:
UKN SilverStuddedBlue150806a.PST.PL.JPG
UKN SilverStuddedBlue150806b.PST.PL.JPG
Regards

Damian

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:30 am
by rezamink
Oh Yes!

and an old (But beautiful) skipper.... I didn't get an underwing shot!
UKN Skipper150806c.PST.PL.compress.JPG
UKN Skipper150806.PST.PL.compress.JPG
Regards

Damian

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:59 am
by rezamink
Here's a habitat photo for the 'Blues site':
Blues Site Krakow compress.JPG
and the other side of the rise, is the chalk quarry (Now a lake, used by 'Cliff divers'):
Chalk quarry - Compress.JPG

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:06 am
by Padfield
Hi Damian. The blue is idas and the skipper, you might or might not be pleased to know, dingy. :D

Poland is adequately covered, for ID purposes, by the European books. Nothing flies there that is not included in Tolman, Higgins and Riley, Lafranchis, &c. &c. But it's interesting to learn there are no books devoted exclusively to Polish butterflies.

Guy

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:43 am
by rezamink
Ha!

Thanks guy.... I like getting photos of British Butterflies abroad just as much as finding new species (Idas blue is a new one for me!) so best of both worlds here....

I had this one down as Reverdin's female? but based off your previous post, I guess this is Idas as well?
Reverdin'sBlue150806a.PST.PL - Compress.JPG
Same individual as above:
Reverdin'sBlue150806.PST.PL - Compress.JPG
Regards

Damian

Ps: I presume the Scarce Large Blue ID is confirmed (rather than Dusky?)

Re: Polish Blues

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:05 am
by rezamink
Photos all now sorted!

I think I have 3 further species!

Chalkhill Blue?
ChalkhillBlueM150806a.PST.PL.JPG
Common Blue?
CommonBlue150806.PST.PL.JPG
Brown Argus?
BrownArgus150806.PST.PL.JPG
Cheers!

Damian