glaciegenita

[Reverdin]

I would like to canvas opinions regarding the following aurinia photos, and whether they would be seen as glaciegenita or debilis or both! I would appreciate thoughts on it's status, and whether species/ subspecies favoured by our peers?

1) aurinia Haute Savoie

2) aurinia Haute Savoie

3) aurinia Simplonpass

4) aurinia Nr Zermatt

5) aurinia Albula Pass

[Padfield]

I'd love to help, Paul, but I have no idea what the current orthodoxy is on this. All your pictures fit into the category I call, for convenience, 'debilis', but I am aware this is probably not even a valid name. Glaciegenita is a valid name - but whether it is species or subspecies or even cladal at all are things I don't know at the moment. I hope someone replies citing an authoritative paper so I can get my own taxonomy straight!

Guy

[Pieter Vantieghem]

As far as I know 'debilis' is the taxon flying in the Pyrenees and 'glaciegenita' is flying in the Alps, however, me to would like to see more literature solving this problem.

[Reverdin]

thank you Pieter for that further input... I guess as mine are all Alpine, I maybe ought to label them ssp gaciegenita, but seems it would be a good PhD project for someone!!