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Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:04 pm
by Paul Harfield
Hi
I have been studying some historical literature recently. This information relates to records from Hampshire, Winchester specifically, over 100 years ago and contains names of species which have changed over the years. I have identified some but I need help with a few. I have listed the species names below:-
sibylla - White Admiral?
alexis - Common Blue?
linea - ?
alsus - ?
janira - ?
alveolus - ?
Could someone please confirm my suggestions and provide the current names for the others? Many thanks
The information is quite an eye opener when it comes to species which were resident in the Winchester area at the time
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Hopefully I will be able to give details of this in my diary once I have permission from the owner of the records.
Re: Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:38 pm
by Pete Eeles
jackz432r wrote:Hi
I have been studying some historical literature recently. This information relates to records from Hampshire, Winchester specifically, over 100 years ago and contains names of species which have changed over the years. I have identified some but I need help with a few. I have listed the species names below:-
sibylla - White Admiral?
alexis - Common Blue?
linea - ?
alsus - ?
janira - ?
alveolus - ?
Could someone please confirm my suggestions and provide the current names for the others? Many thanks
The information is quite an eye opener when it comes to species which were resident in the Winchester area at the time
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Hopefully I will be able to give details of this in my diary once I have permission from the owner of the records.
sibylla - White Admiral
alexis - Common Blue
linea - Small Skipper
alsus - Small Blue
janira - Meadow Brown
alveolus - Grizzled Skipper
The old scientific names are a nightmare when trying to locate articles! Anyway - Coleman's work seems to refer to the names you've provided:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33852/33 ... 3852-h.htm
Cheers,
- Pete
Re: Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:03 pm
by Paul Harfield
Hi Pete
Many thanks. That is a great help
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Re: Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:23 pm
by Pete Eeles
Mark Colvin just pointed this out to me (where
alexis is used as the specific name of the Brown Argus):
http://archive.org/stream/historyofourb ... 3/mode/1up
And
alexis is now the specific name of the Green-underside Blue.
So - I guess we'd need to know the specific article(s) before any confirmation can really be given!
Cheers,
- Pete
Re: Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:18 pm
by Paul Harfield
Hi Pete
The historical material that I am studying also refers to
agestis, so I think in this case
alexis would be Common Blue.
I have now had a chance to study the Coleman work that you provided the link for. It has been very useful, thanks. However, this list refers to the Clouded Yellow as
edusa, whereas the list I am studying refers to a
C eudsa. I am assuming that one of these is a typo?
I now have some additional material from the same Natural History Society. A list of Macro Lepidoptera and Birds compiled in 1897 which covers species found within a 5 mile radius of Winchester City centre. Interesting reading, as it covers my local area with which I am very familiar. However, it is also gives me a sense of sadness at the number of species lost
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Details to follow, hopefully.
Re: Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:34 pm
by Pete Eeles
jackz432r wrote:However, this list refers to the Clouded Yellow as edusa, whereas the list I am studying refers to a C eudsa. I am assuming that one of these is a typo?
Yes,
eudsa is a typo. The correct spelling is
edusa.
Look forward to hearing more!
Cheers,
- Pete
Re: Help With Old Names Please
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:25 pm
by Padfield
Thank you for that reference! It's a fascinating book. On p.69 there is an interesting account of the turquoise blue and on p.48 the purple-edged copper - as well as many other gems. I've downloaded it and will enjoy browsing it more!
Guy