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Two trees help (one possible Elm)

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:35 am
by Dave McCormick
Have not been around or been able to get out much since I just moved house and was moving stuff in my new house. I did manage to get out yesterday afternoon for a few hours and I was in a damp, boggy woodland with a river running through it with lots of boggy/wet places but one side was less damp and I found these two trees in it.

First, is this an Elm? If so, English or wytch? These had big leaves. Elm is rare in NI but the 1600 acres I was in has around 600 acres of woodland with quite a few elms in them, making these sites important for clouded magpie moth which I find lots of. Anyway confirmation or correction appreciated. Most of the mature elms got Dutch Elm disease and died and only 20-30 year old or younger ones are left.
Elm Tree
Elm Tree
Elm Leaves
Elm Leaves
Next, I am not sure of this tree, it grows tall rather than lots of branches (could be down to other trees growing nearby), found these here in the damp woodland and also in wild cherry/ash woodland, but not a lot of them. Here is leaves with trunk and leaves:
Tree Trunk with Leaves
Tree Trunk with Leaves
Tree Leaves
Tree Leaves

Re: Two trees help (one possible Elm)

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:27 pm
by Pete Eeles
Hi Dave,

Since you've had no replies, I have to say that my reaction was you had Wych Elm and an English Elm here. However, one of the diagnostics for elm is an asymmetrical basal leaf lobe, and I can't see this in any image. I wonder if these are simply Hazel growth?

Cheers,

- Pete

Re: Two trees help (one possible Elm)

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:56 pm
by Dave McCormick
A few people said Wych and English Elm (one I can see now is clearly English Elm) the other I didn't think of being hazel but now you mention it, it looks more like hazel than elm.