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French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:22 pm
by David M
Following my other request for assistance with the notoriously difficult
Pyrgus, here are a few more species that I have still to identify conclusively:
I saw 3 different
Erebia, but cannot see past Scotch Argus for any of them (even though there are subtle differences between the butterflies photographed and the guide book's depiction of
aethiops. I'm confident 1 and 3 are the same species but in 2 there are only three forewing spots rather than four.
Butterfly 1
This first one was seen on heathland about 750m up
Butterfly 2
This one was lower down in the woodland itself
Butterfly 3
This one was seen in a different location, again in fairly dense woodland
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Re: French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:30 pm
by David M
There were plenty of Graylings about, and my view is that the following butterfly is
Hipparchia semele. That said, if this is the case, then Graylings in S. France are considerably larger than those in the UK. The following photos are of a roadside casualty on the Causse Méjean. It looks like a male, but it was still pretty big and would exceed the normal dimensions of a UK female
semele.
Butterfly 4
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Re: French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:37 pm
by David M
Found this Fritillary near the bank of the River Tarn and I immediately noticed a difference between it and the numerous Heath Fritillaries that fly in this area. To me, it's a toss up between Meadow Fritillary and Provençal Fritillary. Anyone know for sure?
Butterfly 5
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Re: French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:57 pm
by David M
Re: French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:24 pm
by Reverdin
Hi David.... my guess would be the first erebia butterfly is meolans, Piedmont, with that little apical spot deflected laterally, second looks like two different butterflies to me.. medusa, Woodland, and another Piedmont... but I'm not sure. The third one looks like medusa or oeme, bright eyed, depending on it's antennae. for the Frit, I would go for Knapweed... now I suggest wait for someone like Guy to say!!
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Re: French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:14 pm
by Padfield
I think all the Erebia are meolans. That was my instant impression on looking through them and now looking back more carefully I can't find any real reason to doubt that ID. I agree oeme is very variable and can look like that last one, but so can meolans, which is also an incredibly variable species!
I agree the grayling is semele and the skippers alceae. For myself, I'm pretty confident the fritillary is athalia, though that hasn't been suggested yet.
Guy
EDIT - I'm changing my mind on the last Erebia and now actually prefer oeme. An underside would be definitive!!
Re: French species ID - Non-Pyrgus
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:36 pm
by David M
padfield wrote:I think all the Erebia are meolans. That was my instant impression on looking through them and now looking back more carefully I can't find any real reason to doubt that ID. I agree oeme is very variable and can look like that last one, but so can meolans, which is also an incredibly variable species!
I agree the grayling is semele and the skippers alceae. For myself, I'm pretty confident the fritillary is athalia, though that hasn't been suggested yet.
Guy
EDIT - I'm changing my mind on the last Erebia and now actually prefer oeme. An underside would be definitive!!
Thanks, Guy. I had looked at
meolans but must confess to not even giving consideration to
oeme. I'm afraid the last example flew off without me getting an underside shot, but it was in pretty dense pine/chestnut dominated woodland which surprised me, as even Marbled Whites weren't up for that!