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An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:48 am
by JohnR
This is the first butterfly I have had to net and even then I haven't a clue. Old, tired and battered he was enjoying the last of the afternoon's sunshine. My beginner's guess would be a White Letter, the only distinguishing features were the ginger tips to the antennae.
![Ginger.JPG](./download/file.php?id=8232&sid=5626502d2b81676c8ed43cf71e0539d0)
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Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:52 am
by Michaeljf
Looks like a slightly worse-for ware White-Letter Hairstreak to me. Unless you were abroad at the time, in which case it might open the possibilities up more
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:17 pm
by Neil Hulme
Hi John,
That used to be a Purple Hairstreak!
Neil
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:01 pm
by JohnR
And I just spent the afternoon looking for a non-existent elm in the wood. Oaks a plenty but no elms!
Can we have a vote on this specimen?
John
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:46 pm
by JKT
I'd vote for purple, but there was only one hint (for me): the slight darker coloring near the rear corner of front wings.
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:15 pm
by Lee Hurrell
My first thought before reading any of the posts was a worn Purple.
Cheers
Lee
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:24 pm
by Michaeljf
I was going from both the brownish colouring for the WLH (which could easily change depending on the light and the format of the camera) and the thin-ish nature of the line on the forewing, as I always got the impression the Purple Hairstreak has a broader line, and of course, a more greyish base colour. I'll freely admit to being wrong!
![Embarassed :oops:](./images/smilies/icon_redface.gif)
The fact that there are plenty of Oaks in the location and an absence of Elms certainly backs up the Purple Hairstreak likelihood.
Regarding the thinish nature of the forewing (underside) line, the photos below of a couple of slightly taggy specimens highlight this feature...
![IMG_2454 edit crop.JPG (114.42 KiB) Viewed 483 times Slightly taggy White-Letter at Forest Farm Cardiff](./files/thumb_10035_40bbdb4bbc25a5b1c65a7a5df4854197)
- Slightly taggy White-Letter at Forest Farm Cardiff
![185_8546 edit.JPG (125.47 KiB) Viewed 483 times Purple Hairstreak - snapped locally a few years back (Cardiff)](./files/thumb_10035_b2580d7076d915c656ec941cd47ab52b)
- Purple Hairstreak - snapped locally a few years back (Cardiff)
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:30 pm
by Padfield
I immediately thought it was purple too.
I don't know if this helps, but white-letter hairstreaks usually wear long black and white stripy football socks, like brown hairstreaks, whereas purple hairstreaks have much plainer legs, with narrower white stripes towards the feet.
Guy
EDIT: You can't see the socks on Michael's WLH, so that might not be helpful. All my own pictures show them quite clearly, even the old individuals.
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:40 pm
by Michaeljf
padfield wrote:EDIT: You can't see the socks on Michael's WLH, so that might not be helpful. All my own pictures show them quite clearly, even the old individuals.
I'll get me coat
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:48 pm
by Padfield
No no no, Michael! I meant you might be right!!
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
My 'socks' thing might not be helpful.
When I first looked at that hairstreak I only saw purple. Your post opened my eyes. I think the actual reason I saw (and still see) purple hairstreak is the colour and texture of the hindwing base, and maybe also the shape of the forewing. But you make a good case and I don't mind being wrong at all.
Guy
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:59 pm
by JohnR
This is him again from a slightly different angle
I am just off to see if I can find any of his doddery old relatives.
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:29 pm
by Piers
Surely Purple, no question...
Felix.
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:06 pm
by Michaeljf
JohnR wrote:I am just off to see if I can find any of his doddery old relatives.
Nice one John
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
I'll just admit defeat and go quietly, and pay more attention to a butterflies socks in future. Note to self: surely their socks deteriorate as quickly as their wings? This is called 'clutching at straws'
Michael
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:16 pm
by JohnR
Michaeljf wrote: I'll just admit defeat and go quietly, and pay more attention to a butterflies socks in future. Note to self: surely their socks deteriorate as quickly as their wings? This is called 'clutching at straws'
Michael
It would be really handy if someone listed butterflies by their sock colours. Think of the marketing possibilities - buy your socks from Butterfly Conservation
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Re: An old Hairstreak?
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:07 am
by Lee Hurrell
JohnR wrote:Think of the marketing possibilities - buy your socks from Butterfly Conservation
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
M&S are missing a treat!