Help with Moth ID's

[GsButterflies]

Hi,

Took a couple of images of these two moth's that attended a not very successful moth trap last night.

Had a look in my field guide and been unable to ID them anybody have any idea's.

If it helps images where taken this morning 20/04/10 in Sussex close to Horsham.

Thanks in Advance.

G

[Dave McCormick]

First I think could be either a faded, worn, clouded drab or its a faded, worn powdered quaker. Second one could be a red chestnut

[JKT]

I agree with the second, but I'll offer Orthosia cruda for the first. That is not definitive, but the size of the holes in the fabric seems to imply a small species and the two other Orthosias that were mentioned are not usually that short on visible patterns.

[GsButterflies]

Thanks Dave and JKT,

Still not entirely certain of the ID's, looked at my guide books and images on UK Moth's. Guess they are more variable than I thought.

G