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Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:39 pm
by dragnil
We had a lovely couple of weeks bird watching in Trinidad and Tobago in December (pix are on
http://www.dragnil.co.uk if interested). I took shots of one or two butterflies and I'd be grateful for help identifying these please. I assume the filename will be displayed, if not then let the first be No 1 etc. Thanks in advance for your help.
Regards,
David
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:01 pm
by Paul
now.... somewhere.... I have a book on West Indian Butterflies.... if only I can find it!!!
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:16 pm
by Pete Eeles
Hi David - are there high-res images anywhere? The thumbnails you've posted seem to be the highest-res, and I can't find these images on your lovely website!
Cheers,
- Pete
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:30 am
by dragnil
Hi Pete,
I realised they were a bit small when they were uploaded, larger ones on the way now, I don't want to grab all your bandwidth but if you want them even larger...
BTW I left my camera on the tripod while grabbing a coffee and when I came back our guide, a lovely bloke, was cheerfully shooting away and telling me how much he likes the D2X - so when I got home I found all sorts of images I didn't recognise. Lovely islands, well worth a visit if you have the chance.
Thanks,
David
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:10 pm
by Dave McCormick
Hi David
First might be a slightly damaged King Page Swallowtail (Heraclides thoas) but not 100% on that. Second one is Ruddy Daggerwing (Marpesia petreus), can just about make the one out based on shape. 4 and 5 is a species of skipper, the Guava Skipper (Phocides polybius). Not sure about others
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:46 pm
by dragnil
Thanks, Dave, that's a good start. I can see why it's called a daggerwing from other shots which show rearward "spikes" better.
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:48 am
by dragnil
I've removed the pix which Dave identified, any offers on the remainders please?
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:23 pm
by Vince Massimo
Hi David,
I do not have a book which covers this part ofthe world but I have done a quick bit of research and come up with the following:-
Photo 1 - I would agree with Dave McCormick that this is almost certainly a damaged King Page Swallowtail (Heraclides thoas).
Photo 2 - The closest I can get is Actinote parapheles
Photo 3 - The most likely candidate for this is Gold Rim Swallowtail (Battus polydamas).
Hope this helps,
Vince
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:25 pm
by dragnil
Thanks, Vince, certainly the last one comes up convincingly in Google - is the non-taxonomic name significant - is Gold-rimmed and Polydamas one and the same, new world and old world naming perhaps? I'm happy to catalogue the first with King Page Swallowtail, I wonder if anyone can confirm your thoughts on No 2? Thanks to all for your help, I always turn to this forum and have never regretted it.
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:50 pm
by Vince Massimo
David,
I understand that the Gold Rim Swallowtail is also known as the Polydamas Swallowtail, but have no further information regarding the reason for this.
Vince.
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:55 pm
by Padfield
Actinote looks good, though from the point of view of distribution I wonder if it is a different one of the many species in this group. I know absolutely nothing about South American butterflies, but it seems
pellenea is more widespread and generally common, and certainly flies in the right area:
http://www.funet.fi/pub/sci/bio/life/in ... index.html
The picture of
pellenea on the above website looks quite good too.
Guy
PS - This webpage might be helpful, though the specific region it covers is too far south:
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script= ... 6000100013
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:58 pm
by dragnil
Thanks, Guy, seems good to me. Do you know if there is a local name rather than taxanomic? Love your second link, I just wish I understood a tenth of it!
Regards, David
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:14 pm
by Padfield
This page calls
pellenea the 'Reddish Lazy' (great name!):
http://www.faunaparaguay.com/heliconiinae.html
I must stress, though, that I don't know enough to say it is
pellenea! I don't want to mislead you...
Guy
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:29 am
by Vince Massimo
padfield wrote: I know absolutely nothing about South American butterflies
Neither do I, but I learnt something today
Vince
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:43 am
by dragnil
Guy, I don't think you are misleading me, it's the best I have. I have provisionally catalogued it with that name. If overwhelming evidence arrives to call it something else I'll post it here, we never stop learning... Next trip is on Thursday to Lesvos, where the problems should be fewer - if the ash cloud allows it!
Thanks again for the help. Great forum.
Re: Help from Trinidad please
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:26 pm
by Dave McCormick
Hi Dragnil, try here, it might help on South American butteflies:
http://www.learnaboutbutterflies.com/Am ... thumbs.htm