Some Indian Nymphalids, a Satyrid and a skipper

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Some Indian Nymphalids, a Satyrid and a skipper

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A group we don't see in Europe, if you don't count the odd freak sighting of imported insects, is the pansies, Junonia. I saw four species during my recent trip to India.

Firstly, blue pansies, Junonia orithiya, attended my grandfather's grave in Kolkata. I didn't get any upperside shots - they only briefly paused with their wings spread, probably because of the heat - but here is an underside:

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Also in Kolkata was this grey pansy, Junonia atlites:

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In Mysore I found two more species. This chocolate pansy, Junonia iphita, was flying near Lord Shiva's great bull in the Chamundi hills. I only got long shots of it:

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Here is Shiva's bull, carved from a single huge boulder of soapstone:

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Shiva won't ride anything else.

My fourth pansy was also flying in Mysore. I think this is the lemon pansy, Junonia lemonias:

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It looks much darker in my book, but this was a worn specimen.

I was too early in the year for many Nymphalids - the emperors, admirals and their relatives, for example - but it was good to see this Indian fritillary, Argyreus hyperbius, flying commonly at Doddabetta peak in the Nilgiris:

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The only other Nymphalid I found was a single painted lady. I didn't get a good shot of it, and I don't think anyone needs reminding what this species looks like...

For the Satyrids, I saw just one, the common fourring, Ypthima huebneri. This seemed to be quite a variable species. Here is one from the cemetery in Kolkata:

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And here is another, from Mysore:

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This is a glimpse of the upperside (also in Mysore), which looks a little like some kind of Coenonympha:

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Finally, the trip produced just one single skipper, this common banded awl, Hasora chromus.

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I was surprised to see so little of this group, but I have to recognise that I was in cities or towns almost all the time and I was only ever going to see the commonest butterflies of urban areas.

Just the swallowtails and whites left to post, which I shall do tomorrow!

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Doesn't the orithiya underside vaguely resemble our Painted Lady?.... excellent, soooo jealous.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I imagine you've seen Junonia sp. on your various visits to the States, Paul... I certainly remember seeing buckeyes, Junonia coenia, in New England when I was a kid. That was another family nostalgia trip. My father sailed to America on the Mayflower II when he was a young man, in 1957, in a recreation of the original voyage of the Pilgrim Fathers, and we went back later with him as a family to visit the Plimoth Plantation and the Pilgrim Village. I remember being particularly irked that the Indians were all on strike the day we went and refused to come out of their teepees. That didn't happen in 1620.

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Lovely photos Guy. You did much better than me when I visited Goa in January/February 2008. According to my little book, I can confirm that the fourth pansy is definately a Lemon Pansy.

I have got a few photos from that trip in my personal gallery (in the overseas sub-album). If you want to see something smaller than a female Tiny Grass Blue.......have a look at the male in the photo of the mating pair. When I first saw one I thought it was a fly :?

Looking forward to the rest of your photos.

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Hi Vince,

I enjoyed looking at your gallery - you got some excellent photos of those Indian species. I especially like your crimson rose, a species I just couldn't get so close to so all my shots are fuzzy and distant. And quite a big overlap of species, despite the fact I didn't visit the west of the country.

In general, male blues are bigger than female ones, unlike other in groups of butterflies. On that ground, I would have put your smaller tiny grass blue as the female and the larger one as the male. I don't understand the messy bits of butterflies well enough to know if that matches what is going on in the middle of the picture, but it would be my guess anyway. I know what you mean about it looking like a fly - they just don't look big enough to be real, grown-up butterflies!

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padfield wrote:
In general, male blues are bigger than female ones, unlike other in groups of butterflies. On that ground, I would have put your smaller tiny grass blue as the female and the larger one as the male. I don't understand the messy bits of butterflies well enough to know if that matches what is going on in the middle of the picture, but it would be my guess anyway.

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Good point Guy, but in this case my reasoning was based upon the condition of the two individuals. I assumed that, as is usually the case, newly emerged females are immediatly pounced-upon by desperate males who have been serching for a mate for many days. As far as I can recall, all of my various photos of coupled pairs show a fresh female being mated by an older worn male (unless they both emerged at the same time).

I had made some assumptions about the "conjunction point", but, like you, do not have enough information on which to base a working theory. I have a butterfly contact in Goa..........perhaps I may ask him.

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Gorgeous snaps, Guy! Really beautiful!
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Great shots, common fourring is my favourite out of those. Like the bull statue too
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