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ID opinion please
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:18 pm
by Paul
This photo is from a year ago in the Pyrenees... I've always thought it was niobe but would like opinions...
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:53 pm
by Pete Eeles
Sure looks like one to me - albeit one where the black line running down the hindwing is less prominent than in some I've seen. The one below was take in Greece this year.
Cheers,
- Pete
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:00 pm
by Mikhail
Agreed. A super shot of the form eris.
Misha
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:09 pm
by Denise
Awesome, Paul and Pete!
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:21 pm
by Paul
excellent.. thank you all... wish I could get more photos without the busy green background Pete!!
sigh... better camera didn't materialize this year... dream on!!
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:44 pm
by Pete Eeles
Paul wrote:excellent.. thank you all... wish I could get more photos without the busy green background Pete!!
sigh... better camera didn't materialize this year... dream on!!
At least your shot doesn't look like something out of "The Omen"
Cheers,
- Pete
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:32 pm
by Paul
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:20 pm
by Lee Hurrell
Paul wrote:excellent.. thank you all... wish I could get more photos without the busy green background Pete!!
sigh... better camera didn't materialize this year... dream on!!
Cracking shot Paul.
Now bear in mind I'm new to photography, but I quite like the 'busy' green background. To me it doesn't detract from the butterfly at all, but rather makes the whole image more natural. I know this is probably against the grain though...
Cheers
Lee
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:28 am
by Zonda
I quite like the 'busy' green background. To me it doesn't detract from the butterfly at all, but rather makes the whole image more natural.
I agree with Lee. Don't like backgrounds that are too clean. As you can see from my stuff.
Why don't we have a busiest background competition?
Here's my entry
- busiest background.jpg (181.94 KiB) Viewed 528 times
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:06 pm
by Paul
Didn't take long to find busy!!... good idea for comp... but do we really all want migraine???
Try thyis one...
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:24 pm
by geniculata
at last !, everyones coming to their sense's
gary.
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:41 pm
by Dave McCormick
Some people may like their cluttered backgrounds, but IMO its a distraction, distracts you from the subject. See the two shots I have here of a speckled wood. Now its now a great example, but the second one is cropped a bit. Which one would you prefer? (bear in mind these are not great shots):
- Speckled Wood
Here is the cropped one:
- Speckled Wood (Cropped)
You will notice you don't see competition winning shots having a cluttered background much. But, each to his own, only my opinion.
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:28 pm
by geniculata
or not.
gary.
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:01 pm
by Zonda
I spotted your Brown HS pics in the recent uploads Geniculata,,,,, astounding stuff.
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:07 pm
by geniculata
hi zonda,
yeah i was quite lucky that day.
gary.
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:42 pm
by Padfield
I'm a bit late in replying, as ever these days (!), but yes, Paul, that is
niobe, form
eris. In much of the Pyrenees (well, in the Val d'Aran, anyway
) this form is commoner than the nominate form. The only thing it can be confused with is form cleodoxa of high brown fritillary, which also flies in the Pyrenees.
This is
eris, in the Pyrenees.
The one on the right here is
cleodoxa, mating with a 'normal' female.
Guy
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:09 pm
by Paul
Brilliant comparative between eris and cleodoxa, thank you.... could be quite easy to get wrong... is the little yellow dot in the niobe cell spot always there??
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:24 pm
by Padfield
The yellow spot is pretty constant and it often has a black dot in it.
I don't often see cleodoxa - its frequency is locally variable but it's not generally common.
Guy
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:39 am
by NickB
Interesting discussion and shows how difficult IDs of Frits in particular can be....
Speaking of High Brown as a difficult ID with Niobe... see attached shot of HBF from Devon this year...
Re: ID opinion please
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:06 am
by Denise
Great pics there Guy.
Takes me back to Hungary where there were as many cleodoxa form as well as the "normal" form of HBF on the wing.
Denise