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EXIF and Depth of Field

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:02 pm
by Jack Harrison
Recent comments about EXIF (Exchangeable image file format) have got me thinking. I routinely save the original images as downloaded and before any cropping, etc. In this way, the date such as exposure, focal length, etc are preserved (EXIF). However, the merest modification, loses that data. So if you ever want to verify an original as being genuine, the EXIF data must be intact and that means keeping the unaltered basic image as well. I do that now that I have appreciated the situation.

However, it is unusual that a photo (of a butterfly) does not benefit from post processing, often a simple crop.

Now this brings me on to a point that was explained to me by Tim Munsey. I contacted Tim after I had come across his excellent website:

http://www.wildphotolife.co.uk/

and asked him for the benefit of his experience. Tim gave me one piece of absolutely invaluable advice about depth of field and that has transformed my photos. I'll try to explain.

If you completely fill the frame wingtip to wingtip you get a certain depth of field, let's say as an example, that depth of field is 2 centimetres. Now if you zoom out (or move further away) so that wingtip to wingtip only occupies HALF the frame, you get FOUR times the depth of field, ie 8 cms. But of course, your butterfly is half the size of the full frame image, so you probably need to crop.

However, if you want the butterfly the same size as that first full frame image, you will of course lose half that depth of field gain of four times, but even so still finish up with twice the depth of field. This does depend on having enough pixels to be able to tolerate such a crop, but I am perfectly happy to use say 1600 pixels width from my original width of 2800 pixels. (Not quite a gain of double the DoF, but certainly a noticeable gain)

This might sound a little technical and I admit that I don't understand the science behind it. But the point is it works.

So any image that I publish will not have the EXIF information but I do have that available on the original file. Earlier photos are not protected in this way as I simply had not understood the situation, but my later ones are.

Jack

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:11 pm
by Rogerdodge
Jack
I agree with all you say about d.o.f. - it is why small image size cameras give such excellent seeming d.o.f., - they are effectively carrying out your crop, in-camera.
However, modifying the photo does not always alter the EXIF.
I have just looked at a couple of pictures on this site that are serious crops, and on some, the EXIF is still available, on others (e.g. your gynandromorph) it isn't? How does this happen?.
Roger Harding

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:40 am
by Jack Harrison
Consensus is that it isn't a gynandromorph becasue of the female lunules on the blue wing but a halved semi-syngrapha.

Here is the original with all the Exif information. It's far too big for routine use on a forum such as this.

I am now looking into the "sweet spot" and considering diffraction effects.

Dof F diffraction and related matters are covered here very well.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/sitemap.htm

Jack Harrison
Image

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:43 am
by Jack Harrison
I notice an error in the Exif data - the date needs re-setting on my camera but otherwise correct. I had never bothered with accurate date / time before so you live and learn.

Jack

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:11 am
by Pete Eeles
Hi Jack - would it be OK to add this critter to the main species pages? Thanks!

Cheers,

- Pete

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:39 am
by Jack Harrison
Sure. As I explained, I don't think it's a gynandromorph. Nick Ballard subsequently photographed a blue female (not as extensively blue) at same location while looking for my individual.

Jack

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:13 am
by Martin
Back to the exif...

In Photoshop, if you "Save As" the exif is retained...whereas if you "Save for Web" it is lost. HTH.

Martin.

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:05 am
by Jack Harrison
It would I am sure but I use Paint Shop Pro (it came free with Smarties)

Jack

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:10 pm
by Dave McCormick
I use Paint.Net for a few things and it keeps EXIF information. Its kinda like photoshop but with less featues and a lot more than MS Paint. Its pritty good. See here: http://www.getpaint.net/ its free too.