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New Erebia species
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:08 am
by Matsukaze
Re: New Erebia species
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:52 pm
by petesmith
As if
Erebias weren't tricky enough already
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Re: New Erebia species
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:04 pm
by Padfield
The Swiss have generally distinguished
bubastis and
manto as good species for some years now. I've always been more cautious, though, as I know one site where to all appearances
bubastis turns up as an occasional form of
manto (females of
bubastis have white spots beneath, unlike the yellow of
manto). This new data is therefore very interesting. Either I have found a place where both species fly (my site is not shown on the maps of
bubastis) or
manto can occasionally throw up white-spotted individuals.
These both come from the same site:
![Image](https://www.guypadfield.com/images2013/manto2august2013a.jpg)
(female
manto)
![Image](https://www.guypadfield.com/images2011/bubastis111.jpg)
(female of what I have been calling form
bubastis)
Guy
Re: New Erebia species
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:54 pm
by selbypaul
Thanks for sharing Matsukaze, and also for your insight Guy.
Erebia are my favourite family of European butterflies, and this is a really interesting paper.
Re: New Erebia species
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:54 pm
by David M
Agreed. Thanks for sharing, Chris, even though it's likely to make identification even more complex within this genus.
One thing that struck me when seeing E. manto constans for the first time in the French Pyrenees last summer was just how many had yellow spots on the unhs. These spots varied from just one to an almost complete line.
This group has so many isolated populations that it's unsurprising the degree of variation seen. One wonders just how such variation develops.
Re: New Erebia species
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:15 pm
by Matsukaze
Re: New Erebia species
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:39 am
by David M
I'm learning new words in my own language reading that, Chris!
The way things are going taxonomically, in 50 years time we'll have double the number of species in Europe!