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Satyr ID help

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:37 am
by Catteraxe
A couple of images taken in the French Alps, Rimplas area, back in 2017. I think they're both Great Sooty Satyr but the eye spots on the underwing in the one image confuses me. Help needed!
GSS2.jpg
GSS1.jpg
Thanks
Kevin

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:15 am
by David M
Hi Kev, I'm sure both are ferula, but you're right, that first one is most unusual, possibly an ab., with the fairly conspicuous uph orange band as well as the ocelli.

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:48 am
by Catteraxe
Thanks David

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:04 pm
by Roger Gibbons
I think they are in range for females. It is perhaps the species with the greatest variation in the underside, the females more so than the males, so probably no reason why the uppersides should not be variable as well. Here is a female upperside.
Satyrus ferula_17009W.JPG

Ocelli are also hugely variable - this one has a smallish blind ocellus on the hindwing.

Nice shots, especially as they were probably on the move nectaring, and shows this species at it best.

Roger

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:16 pm
by David M
Great image, Roger. I presume that was early in the morning when they WILL bask wings open for a while?

Can't say I've studied the ups too often given that they're mostly posing with wings closed once things have warmed up.

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:02 pm
by Roger Gibbons
They may bask like that early in the morning, but I wouldn't be there to see them :)

It was taken some time ago (2009) and more likely to have been in a cloudy or overcast spell when they sit on rocks for the warmth. A male nearby did the same, as below. Just a lucky moment, as I've never seen them posing as obligingly since.
Satyrus ferula_16926W.JPG
Roger

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:45 am
by Medard
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Memories from long ago.
A few pictures of Great Sooty Satyr (Satyrus ferula) taken near Sedron above the Jabron Valley, Near Sisteron, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence,France.
Roger will know this location as I gave him directions.
Hope I have the IDs correct.

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:05 am
by David M
Isn't that second one a Dryad, Jim?

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:51 am
by Medard
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Looks as if it got in the wrong folder David, thanks for your correction.
On the subject of the
Minois dryas (Grand nègre des bois)
Here's one taken at a site near Hostens, Girond.
[attachment=3]JUL_7644 Great Sooty Satyr (Satyrus ferula).
Most likely the site has been destroyed by the disastrous fires at the Hostens location, which makes me want to cry.
Another inhabitant that lives at the same site.
False Ringlet (Coenonympha oedippus).

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:19 pm
by petesmith
Hi Jim. Do you know if the Hostens site has definitely been affected? It would be tragic if it has been lost. I found an image showing the extent of the fires on 13th July (see below), which looks like they were a little to the east of the main site, but of course they may well have spread there. I was planning on visiting for oedippus this summer, but Easyjet cancelled my return flight so I had to abort the trip at the last minute...
french fires.jpg

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:32 pm
by David M
Medard wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:51 am...Most likely the site has been destroyed by the disastrous fires at the Hostens location, which makes me want to cry...
I sincerely hope not, Jim, or I'll be crying with you! :(

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:45 pm
by Catteraxe
Catteraxe wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:48 am Thanks David and also Roger

Re: Satyr ID help

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:05 pm
by Medard
https://jamesgibbs6929.zenfolio.com
Hi Pete There was a lot of video of pompiers operating at Hostens, as well as local French, many came from Poland
I may be wrong, I do hope so, I will contact my friends from St Medard perhaps they can add some detail.