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Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:01 am
by Stevie Blunder
Hi folks,
Any ideas what this ab. is called. I photographed this back in July 2010 in Monmouthshire.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:08 am
by bugboy
Ab conjuncta looks like a good fit. Stunning abbberation :mrgreen:
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Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:46 am
by Stevie Blunder
Thanks for that. Is there Anywhere on this forum where people can share photos of their abs? Butterflies I mean not muscles!

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:52 pm
by bugboy
Stevie Blunder wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:46 am Thanks for that. Is there Anywhere on this forum where people can share photos of their abs? Butterflies I mean not muscles!
On the main site each species description has a link to abs specific to that species with photos mostly gleaned from posts on the forum. Only admins can move them across but if Vince sees your picture (he's unlikely to miss it) and deems it good enough he'll move it over so it's saved for posterity😊
https://ukbutterflies.co.uk/aberrations ... es=urticae

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:32 pm
by David M
Top marks for finding that one, Stevie.....it's practically off the scale!!

Short of opening your own personal diary, you should feel free to post anything unusual in the 'sightings' section.

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:23 pm
by Chris L
I saw this at lunchtime. An Ab.conjuncta?

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Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:42 pm
by millerd
Wow, that's a weird one! Great find, Otep. The ab. conjuncta above has similar forewings, but dark hindwings - yours has orange hindwings. It may have a different name, but I couldn't even hazard a guess as to what it might be. :) A definite :mrgreen: for that one.

Cheers,

Dave

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:44 pm
by David M
Don't think it's ab. conjuncta, Otep, because the hindwings are still orange-red with the blue marginal lunules intact.

It is without doubt a most unusual and impressive specimen. :mrgreen:

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:54 pm
by Pauline
Great find Otep :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Almost as good as an albino badger! :wink: :lol:

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:19 pm
by Chris L
Thank you folks. I am still out there with my L plates on but I am quite adept now at identifying the 42 species I have met so far, in flight and at rest, and the months that they will be encountered. When I saw this fluttering about nearby I did say to myself 'What on earth is that?' I guessed at a Small Tortoiseshell ab. As I waded through some long grass I was pleading with it to land so that I could have a closer look at it.

I think an albino badger is probably a million times more interesting Pauline. :lol:

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:58 pm
by bugboy
Your one might well qualify as conjuncta since the description of that ab only describes the forwings and makes no mention of what the hind wings should or shouldn't look like. However this probably also shows how unscientific and subjective this naming of abs thing can be sometimes!

Re: Small Tortoiseshell ab

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:51 pm
by Chris L
Thanks Bugboy.

It sort of conveys it in the photo, but to the naked eye, those black lines at the top of the forewings are like a very crude couple of swipes of a black marker pen.