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Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:59 pm
by Jack Harrison
Several commentators have said that the influx on 2014 and subsequent overwintering of a handful was below the threshold need to establish Scarce Tortoiseshell as a breeding species in UK.
Few would argue in favour of a deliberate introduction. However, would a helping hand be ethical? For example, say some successfully overwintering adults that had arrived here under their own steam the previous summer were rounded up and released somewhere to form a core colony, would that be acceptable? I am not saying I am in favour but merely asking a question (and trying to start a debate in these dull later autumn days – stirring by any other name!)
Jack
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:15 pm
by MikeOxon
Taking up the debate ... I suppose the problem with a 'helping hand' is that it would confound any studies of how the species might be responding to changes in the natural environment. I feel that it would be interesting to see if this species (and/or others) does establish itself 'naturally' over the coming years.
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:23 pm
by Tony Moore
I second that! Leave and let live
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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Tony M.
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:33 pm
by David M
Does this species have core colonies though? They usually disperse quite widely as far as I know, so any 'helping hand' would presumably have short lived results?
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:52 pm
by Jack Harrison
I only had in mind the butterfly equivalent of a "Lonely Hearts Club"
I'm not suggesting it is necessarily a good idea but....a fun discussion in dreary dull November. Don't take it
too seriously.
Jack
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:08 pm
by David M
Dating for butterflies? Your compassion has reached new heights, Jack!
Must admit, I
do feel for those poor male Brimstones flying endlessly on cold days in early March in the (probably) vain pursuit of a mate.
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:29 am
by Tony Moore
It's going to be a long winter...
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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Tony M.
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:19 pm
by Vince Massimo
Topic Update
Another historic sighting has now been discovered in old images. The report comes from Peter Willmott, who photographed a Scarce Tortoiseshell at Salcey Forest, Northants on 9th March 2014. This date implies that the butterfly overwintered here and must have arrived in the UK during the summer of 2013, thus pre-dating the observed main influx of this species into Britain in 2015.
![Salcey Forest, Northants 9-March-2014 Peter Willmott.jpg (169.75 KiB) Viewed 607 times Peter Willmott 9-March-2014](./files/thumb_3678_58f76dcc32be78691c540fcac86b2de4)
- Peter Willmott 9-March-2014
A fuller account of the sighting can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9248#p117327
Vince
Re: Scarce Tortoiseshell sighting!
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:18 pm
by David M
How I'd love this insect to establish itself in the UK!