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Thanks Guy Updated with your comments not sure if I/we had any of the endemic Erebia species, like lefebvrei, gorgone or sthennyo will take a look as I go through the pictures.
Here is the last batch for the first day and think I have the butterflies nailed apart from the first Ringlet however if I have something wrong please comment.
End of day 1, what I have found interesting is the quantity of Zygaenidae out there in the big wide word, will look to see if there is a book available to aid ID's so if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great
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Andy
Here is the last batch for the first day and think I have the butterflies nailed apart from the first Ringlet however if I have something wrong please comment.
End of day 1, what I have found interesting is the quantity of Zygaenidae out there in the big wide word, will look to see if there is a book available to aid ID's so if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great
Cheers
Andy
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Hi Andy.
The ringlet is a female Piedmont. The first burnet is ephialtes as you suggest. The next, I believe, is fausta, not felix, which is North Afican.
For the Zygaenids, I can recommend this:
http://www.napeditions.com/en/19-papill ... les-1.html
It is very comprehensively illustrated and has excellent text, with detailed descriptions and maps.
Guy
The ringlet is a female Piedmont. The first burnet is ephialtes as you suggest. The next, I believe, is fausta, not felix, which is North Afican.
For the Zygaenids, I can recommend this:
http://www.napeditions.com/en/19-papill ... les-1.html
It is very comprehensively illustrated and has excellent text, with detailed descriptions and maps.
Guy
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Thanks again Guy for the pointers and will see if I can pick up the book at the AIS show in October as I am also after a copy of butterflies of Europe by Tristan Lafranchis. Will start day 2 tomorrow after I go over them again to confirm any Skippers and Ringlets.
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Not sure how I missed this from day 1 but not sure if Spotted or Lesser Spotted being drawn to the latter I know there is variability. Either that or I am totally wrong
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I would say that is spotted fritillary. The submarginal markings are round and there is no trace of the discocellular vein - I think your picture is sufficiently good to see that if it were there.
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Evening, here is the latest (day 2) from Spain, again will just upload the morning selection for perusal first, bit of a mix but you know me
Unfortunately this one died a few days later no obvious reason why By the end of the week this one had marched of somewhere to pupate
The afternoon picture are all bar 1 Butterflies
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Unfortunately this one died a few days later no obvious reason why By the end of the week this one had marched of somewhere to pupate
The afternoon picture are all bar 1 Butterflies
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Here is the afternoons selection from day 2, as always if anyone can fill the gaps for id's and let me know if I am wrong that will be really useful
Still not 100% with the yellow id and will be posting a few as the days go on so again if I am wrong please shout Sorry only pictures I have of these 2 skippers This is one of my favourite pics of the trip shame it was so windy and I did not get them on a less busy flower to show them off better I was more surprised as the week went on with the quantity of really fresh individuals and the size variation for various species.
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Still not 100% with the yellow id and will be posting a few as the days go on so again if I am wrong please shout Sorry only pictures I have of these 2 skippers This is one of my favourite pics of the trip shame it was so windy and I did not get them on a less busy flower to show them off better I was more surprised as the week went on with the quantity of really fresh individuals and the size variation for various species.
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Hi Andy. From my experience of the Pyrenees I'm pretty sure your Plebejus is silver-studded. As for the Carcharodus skippers, I'm not 100%. If I had to put money down I'd probably call the first mallow and the second tufted marbled. But I don't have to!
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Hi, I don't dare to identify those two half-dead Skippers, but
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
This reminds me of worn Zygaena laeta the most or st. similar "Pyrenees-specific"
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
You'd have to genitalize this to identify, I'm afraid
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
Zygaena ephialtes f. ephialtoides
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
This animal seems to be idas/argyrognomon to me
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
This reminds me of worn Zygaena laeta the most or st. similar "Pyrenees-specific"
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
You'd have to genitalize this to identify, I'm afraid
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
Zygaena ephialtes f. ephialtoides
http://ukbutterflies.co.uk/phpBB/downlo ... &mode=view
This animal seems to be idas/argyrognomon to me
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P. argyrognomon doesn't fly in the Pyrenees, but I'm interested you considered it a possbility, Marek, because in its western range it never has broad borders like this. P. idas is very variable but I'm not aware of it having broad borders in the Pyrenees either. This individual looks very like the argus (silver-studded) I see when I visit this region. I wouldn't claim any authority, but with this group it helps to have local knowledge of the forms and my experience of the Spanish Pyrenees suggests very strongly this is argus.The Annoying Czech wrote:This animal seems to be idas/argyrognomon to me
Sometimes I'm spectacularly wrong!
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The truth is I worked with Central European know-how and counted with some visible differences betwen our argus vs. idas-argyrognomon (those two always have to be genitalized here, which is kind of unpleasant as idas is considered to be CR, whereas argyrogmon is locally common).
And as far as I know (and saw), both rear sides of the wings seems to be more idas-argyrognomon than argus to me, as the black rim is rather thin and the blue color is not dark enough. Also, our argus males, and I believe those photos are one and very same male individual, tend to be more brown and the spots are also slightly different, but it may be just a feeling.
Since I've actually never been to Pyrenees, I obviously may be wrong.
Also, argus is considerably smaller. At least that Central European.
And as far as I know (and saw), both rear sides of the wings seems to be more idas-argyrognomon than argus to me, as the black rim is rather thin and the blue color is not dark enough. Also, our argus males, and I believe those photos are one and very same male individual, tend to be more brown and the spots are also slightly different, but it may be just a feeling.
Since I've actually never been to Pyrenees, I obviously may be wrong.
Also, argus is considerably smaller. At least that Central European.
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Thank you Guy and Marek interesting debate and useful info, will keep the id as silver studded/unconfirmed for now, I can see where you are coming from as the photo's I have of silver studded in the UK do seem to have in many instances less rounded hind and forewings, it means I will just have to go bake next year and try harder
. Marek thanks for the pointers on the Burnett's and again will just have to leave the forester and unknown. At least I managed the yellows as I was worried about the id's.
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Here is the start of day 3 usual mix but mainly Butterflies, again a few I need ID for and confirmation so feel free to chip in.
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Andy
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Andy, Your longhorn looks like Stictoleptura cordigera (aka Leptura cordigera)
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Thanks for the ID Colin, will try to get a book at the AES show on beetles if cheap enough,
Here is another batch from day 3
Pretty sure this is a Common Blue but just seems a lot of orange! Cheers
Andy
Here is another batch from day 3
Pretty sure this is a Common Blue but just seems a lot of orange! Cheers
Andy
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Hi,
Here is the last batch of Day 3. Tomorrow I will post the pictures from the weekend which are mostly Larvae.
Enjoy
Andy
Here is the last batch of Day 3. Tomorrow I will post the pictures from the weekend which are mostly Larvae.
Enjoy
Andy
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Nice images, Andy, though your Skipper is not Red Underwing.
The Carpenter Bee is fascinating.
The Carpenter Bee is fascinating.
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Thank David,
Will put the Skipper down to Grizzled and do have a Red underwing in day 4 pics.
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Andy
Will put the Skipper down to Grizzled and do have a Red underwing in day 4 pics.
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As I said in my earlier post here are the pictures from my weekend exploits and may be the last upload until next week. My usual eclectic mix I'm afraid.
First thing was to see the colour variation in these the Pebble Prominent Larvae Found lots of Larvae of these at various stages of growth and an extraordinarily large amount of these at various sites Been lucky with these as well in finding them at various sites, I was disappointed to see lots of nettles cut back at Magdalene hill where I had seen egg laying recently. (Perhaps this needs to be taken into consideration by the powers that be before they carry out this exercise at this time of year) Nice to see the common blue in good numbers wherever I have been and in various condition Again been lucky in finding at least 10 of these over the last month Lucky to have a colony of these 2 mins from work and easy to find at head height
probably one of our more stunning regular larve
Found this while trying to find Marsh Fritillary Larvae (No Joy)
Been a great year for these beauties and seen them everywhere and in various stages lets hope it lasts.
I think I will need to speak to some of you expert egg photographers out there but here is an attempt from the garden using extension tubes on my macro.
Anyway of to northern climes for the weekend (family) will take the camera and moth trap and hope for something special.
Cheers
Andy
First thing was to see the colour variation in these the Pebble Prominent Larvae Found lots of Larvae of these at various stages of growth and an extraordinarily large amount of these at various sites Been lucky with these as well in finding them at various sites, I was disappointed to see lots of nettles cut back at Magdalene hill where I had seen egg laying recently. (Perhaps this needs to be taken into consideration by the powers that be before they carry out this exercise at this time of year) Nice to see the common blue in good numbers wherever I have been and in various condition Again been lucky in finding at least 10 of these over the last month Lucky to have a colony of these 2 mins from work and easy to find at head height
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Cheers
Andy
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Great report A. and I see I have got one of my ID's incorrect! Well done identifying those eggs and I am looking forward to some spectacular results from your trip 'oop North' (why do folk even say that??!!!) ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
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