I agree with these comments - they reflect doubts I had too.
For the
Erebia, I thought exactly the same, but settled on Spanish brassy (or whatever!) in the absence of seeing the underside at all. For comparison, here is a
cassioides I took in the Pyrenees:
First skipper: I did think of
cirsii but the 'sinuous' mark seemed too disconnected. Not sure about that...
Second skipper: Where I visit in the Pyrenees (Val d'Aran) the large grizzleds are all
centralhispaniae and quite different from this one. They are well-marked on the uph.
Again, uns would be great - even bad photos or rubbish views.
Guy