Neil Hulme
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Hi Mark,
Park at TR379478 (easy) and then walk up the concrete steps to your immediate south, taking you up onto the cliff-tops and LTB Land.
6 - 7 Long-tailed Blues active today. Good luck.
BWs, Neil
Park at TR379478 (easy) and then walk up the concrete steps to your immediate south, taking you up onto the cliff-tops and LTB Land.
6 - 7 Long-tailed Blues active today. Good luck.
BWs, Neil
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Thanks so much for the prompt reply.
You have been so helpful,as always.
Cheers!
You have been so helpful,as always.
Cheers!
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Thanks for the reply Neil, I thought that would most probably be the case. A bit of wishful thinking really.Sussex Kipper wrote:
Neil: It is unlikely they would move northwards from the site, given the relatively small size of the population and weather conditions. Certain triggers are required to encourage migratory behaviour.
BWs, Neil
All the best,
Neil.
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Hi Neil,
It's much more likely that they will think about heading south as the days shorten ... back to mainland Europe.
BWs, Neil
It's much more likely that they will think about heading south as the days shorten ... back to mainland Europe.
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Nooooooooo!Sussex Kipper wrote:Hi Neil,
It's much more likely that they will think about heading south as the days shorten ... back to mainland Europe.![]()
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BWs, Neil
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Re: Sussex Kipper
No favourable winds over next few days for them to go back south; winds in fact should be from east and southeast so more arrivals on the way
Jack
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Re: Sussex Kipper
More Long-tails
On Tuesday (24th September) I spent another 6 hours on Kingsdown Leas, where quite a crowd had gathered to enjoy the Long-tailed Blues. Matthew & Sally Oates and UKB members Trev Sawyer, Dave Brown, Pauline and various spouses, along with some very nice folk I haven't met before, were all treated to great views of this spectacular little butterfly. There was a bit of a scramble when it came to photography, so I sat back and left others to it, being more than happy with the images I've already got. I would say that 6 or 7 Long-tailed Blues were seen throughout the day by various observers, although I could only be certain of increasing my personal tally by 4. Rather more surprising than the sighting of another LTB was a mint condition Small Blue!
Later in the day, following a lengthy flat spell, a group of enthusiasts gathered along the edge of a large garden in front of a spacious bungalow. The lovely couple who own the property were very generous in allowing us to observe the 3 LTBs which had outrageously decided to provide a multiple garden 'tick'. There can be no better argument for leaving an area of lawn in a more natural state! They even stopped the annual cut & collect to allow the LTBs to chase each other and the resident Chalkhill and Common Blues for the rest of the afternoon. I later emailed them some images as a memento.
On Wednesday (25th September) I headed over to the cliff tops at Birling Gap (near Beachy Head) to search for more LTBs, following the recent sighting by B. rex. On this occasion my luck ran out, but it’s always a pleasure to walk through this spectacular landscape. In the 2 hours I was there I watched about half a dozen Red Admiral head out to sea.
On Tuesday (24th September) I spent another 6 hours on Kingsdown Leas, where quite a crowd had gathered to enjoy the Long-tailed Blues. Matthew & Sally Oates and UKB members Trev Sawyer, Dave Brown, Pauline and various spouses, along with some very nice folk I haven't met before, were all treated to great views of this spectacular little butterfly. There was a bit of a scramble when it came to photography, so I sat back and left others to it, being more than happy with the images I've already got. I would say that 6 or 7 Long-tailed Blues were seen throughout the day by various observers, although I could only be certain of increasing my personal tally by 4. Rather more surprising than the sighting of another LTB was a mint condition Small Blue!
Later in the day, following a lengthy flat spell, a group of enthusiasts gathered along the edge of a large garden in front of a spacious bungalow. The lovely couple who own the property were very generous in allowing us to observe the 3 LTBs which had outrageously decided to provide a multiple garden 'tick'. There can be no better argument for leaving an area of lawn in a more natural state! They even stopped the annual cut & collect to allow the LTBs to chase each other and the resident Chalkhill and Common Blues for the rest of the afternoon. I later emailed them some images as a memento.
On Wednesday (25th September) I headed over to the cliff tops at Birling Gap (near Beachy Head) to search for more LTBs, following the recent sighting by B. rex. On this occasion my luck ran out, but it’s always a pleasure to walk through this spectacular landscape. In the 2 hours I was there I watched about half a dozen Red Admiral head out to sea.
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Re: Sussex Kipper
What a difference a couple of days can make, Neil. Conditions were far less benign, and despite Jack's forecast, the wind was very definitely in the northeast down there today!
Your photos are just amazing - and having seen them I was able to be 100% sure of the one I saw today.
Brilliant.
And how on earth did you conjure up a Small Blue? Five different Blues at a UK site must be a record...
Dave
Your photos are just amazing - and having seen them I was able to be 100% sure of the one I saw today.
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And how on earth did you conjure up a Small Blue? Five different Blues at a UK site must be a record...
Dave
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Re: Sussex Kipper
millerd being cheeky!
But still from an easterly quarter!
Neil. LT Blues presumably can't tolerate even the slightest of frosts. But I would imagine that right on the coast of that part of Kent, frosts are quite rare before December. So any chance do you think of another generation of LTBs in late October/early November?
Jack
Local effect no doubt - or observer error...and despite Jack's forecast, the wind was very definitely in the northeast down there today!
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Neil. LT Blues presumably can't tolerate even the slightest of frosts. But I would imagine that right on the coast of that part of Kent, frosts are quite rare before December. So any chance do you think of another generation of LTBs in late October/early November?
Jack
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Hi Jack,
Nobody has found any eggs yet (recent period), which is surprising given that home-grown (wild) females have been on the wing in the UK since 18th September. If none are found over the next week or two (and of course they might be), I think we will be able to make some assumptions, based on circumstantial evidence, regarding behaviour and reverse migration.
BWs, Neil
Nobody has found any eggs yet (recent period), which is surprising given that home-grown (wild) females have been on the wing in the UK since 18th September. If none are found over the next week or two (and of course they might be), I think we will be able to make some assumptions, based on circumstantial evidence, regarding behaviour and reverse migration.
BWs, Neil
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Re: Sussex Kipper
It just goes to show how lucky I was Neil, somehow I managed to be in the right place at the right time for a changeSussex Kipper wrote: On Wednesday (25th September) I headed over to the cliff tops at Birling Gap (near Beachy Head) to search for more LTBs, following the recent sighting by B. rex. On this occasion my luck ran out, but it’s always a pleasure to walk through this spectacular landscape. In the 2 hours I was there I watched about half a dozen Red Admiral head out to sea.
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Boeticus Annus Mirabilis
This incredible year for the Long-tailed Blue continues. Just before midday I stopped at a site I've looked at perhaps ten times since early August, having noticed the large quantity of Broad-leaved Everlasting Pea along the road verges and over rough ground around the derelict (but still operational) Beeding Cement Works near Shoreham (TQ19910869). This time I got lucky and I saw 2 female LTBs in a quite short period of time. Having spent many hours in Kent looking at this species, these were my first in Sussex.
One was newly minted and the second was in fair condition, fully tailed, but had a slightly 'nibbled' fringe. The best example flew north over a hedge, heading towards some of the large clumps of pea growing along the roadside. The second specimen flew over the security fence but was visible for well over an hour, resting during cool periods and occasionally nectaring on ragwort and pea flowers. This gave me time to make a few 'phone calls and a string of visitors were able to enjoy the butterfly. While there Pete Varkala found a female Brown Hairstreak, providing a rare combination!
If visiting: Please do not block the track leading up to Cliff house - this rough track is a private driveway. There is only room for two cars in the 'layby' at the grid ref given, without causing an obstruction. Parking is available around Dacre Gardens, a couple of minutes walk further up the road (north). Please do not venture up the track/private driveway or cross the private lawned area to its left. Please do not attempt to climb the fence - this is an active industrial site. Please do not ask Dudman's staff if you can enter the site - they will not allow this on H&S grounds.
BWs, Neil
P.S. Please note I am away all weekend in London so will not be able to answer PMs or emails.
This incredible year for the Long-tailed Blue continues. Just before midday I stopped at a site I've looked at perhaps ten times since early August, having noticed the large quantity of Broad-leaved Everlasting Pea along the road verges and over rough ground around the derelict (but still operational) Beeding Cement Works near Shoreham (TQ19910869). This time I got lucky and I saw 2 female LTBs in a quite short period of time. Having spent many hours in Kent looking at this species, these were my first in Sussex.
One was newly minted and the second was in fair condition, fully tailed, but had a slightly 'nibbled' fringe. The best example flew north over a hedge, heading towards some of the large clumps of pea growing along the roadside. The second specimen flew over the security fence but was visible for well over an hour, resting during cool periods and occasionally nectaring on ragwort and pea flowers. This gave me time to make a few 'phone calls and a string of visitors were able to enjoy the butterfly. While there Pete Varkala found a female Brown Hairstreak, providing a rare combination!
If visiting: Please do not block the track leading up to Cliff house - this rough track is a private driveway. There is only room for two cars in the 'layby' at the grid ref given, without causing an obstruction. Parking is available around Dacre Gardens, a couple of minutes walk further up the road (north). Please do not venture up the track/private driveway or cross the private lawned area to its left. Please do not attempt to climb the fence - this is an active industrial site. Please do not ask Dudman's staff if you can enter the site - they will not allow this on H&S grounds.
BWs, Neil
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Congratulations Neil, I doubt that I shall ever see a better LTB photo than that open wing shot
You should also be able to save a few bob on petrol now!
Phil
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You should also be able to save a few bob on petrol now!
Phil
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Re: Sussex Kipper
agree, stunning photo
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Re: Sussex Kipper
A fantastic find and a perfect shotPhiliB wrote:Congratulations Neil, I doubt that I shall ever see a better LTB photo than that open wing shot![]()
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Does anybody need a front cover?
Regards,
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As it is unacceptable to collect these butterflies, surely it would be OK to collect Everlasting Sweet Pea seeds and sow liberally along the south coast?
Many, many, years ago in Kipperland (Worthing) when the Kipper was probably still in short pants. I found a blue fluttering over a council flower bed on the sea front. “Ah ha” I thought. “Perfect place for a Long-tailed Blue.” It was not the sort of habitat to expect a Holly Blue.
An even “nearer miss” with LT Blues occurred on the coast at Aldeburgh Suffolk some five or six years ago. Near the sailing club was an Everlasting Sweet Pea complete with blue butterflies fluttering around it. Finally LT Blues in England
. I scrambled down the steep back to the bush only to find that they were Common Blues
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Jack
Many, many, years ago in Kipperland (Worthing) when the Kipper was probably still in short pants. I found a blue fluttering over a council flower bed on the sea front. “Ah ha” I thought. “Perfect place for a Long-tailed Blue.” It was not the sort of habitat to expect a Holly Blue.
An even “nearer miss” with LT Blues occurred on the coast at Aldeburgh Suffolk some five or six years ago. Near the sailing club was an Everlasting Sweet Pea complete with blue butterflies fluttering around it. Finally LT Blues in England
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I believe a chap called N. Hulme may be looking for one.Vince Massimo wrote:Does anybody need a front cover?
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I am privy to a back cover.I believe a chap called N. Hulme may be looking for one.
Jack
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Thanks Phil, Iain, Vince and Jack. Bearing in mind the rarity of LTB, I can't imagine ever getting a better opportunity. A good image with which to conclude my 2013 diary, as I won't be chasing butterflies through October this year.
Jack: The ESP plant is regarded as a weed on good quality grassland, but I'd be happy to see more of it in gardens and on some brownfield sites. Sadly, the combination of factors needed to bring the butterfly to our shores is likely to remain a quite rare event for the foreseeable future, as we're a long way north of areas where it can live year-round. That said, LTB is almost certainly under-recorded and it is likely that many smaller influxes have been missed in the past. Perhaps we will all be more vigilant after such a memorable year.
BWs, Neil
Jack: The ESP plant is regarded as a weed on good quality grassland, but I'd be happy to see more of it in gardens and on some brownfield sites. Sadly, the combination of factors needed to bring the butterfly to our shores is likely to remain a quite rare event for the foreseeable future, as we're a long way north of areas where it can live year-round. That said, LTB is almost certainly under-recorded and it is likely that many smaller influxes have been missed in the past. Perhaps we will all be more vigilant after such a memorable year.
BWs, Neil
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Re: Sussex Kipper
Hi Neil
If you do get out and check on any sites with LTBs please let me know as I fancy one more go at finding this species before the year is out. Any info on any sites where they are still being seen would be massively appreciated.
Many thanks
If you do get out and check on any sites with LTBs please let me know as I fancy one more go at finding this species before the year is out. Any info on any sites where they are still being seen would be massively appreciated.
Many thanks
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