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There's probably little more to be said but I thought I'd post the link anyway:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/cult ... -show.html
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Saddening, but then I suppose butterfly houses are guilty of similar given that people also tread on them and swat them when visiting.
Wasn't there once a south American 'artist' who tied a dog up and allowed it to slowly starve to death in the name of art?
Wasn't there once a south American 'artist' who tied a dog up and allowed it to slowly starve to death in the name of art?
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Thanks for pointing this out, Guy. I feel a tweet coming on ![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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I don't know more about Wisley than I've read on these pages but I suspect it is rather different from Hirst's installation:Susie wrote:Is it really so different to butterfly houses such as Wisley's exhibition in the glasshouse every year?
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(That picture taken from http://www.theedgesusu.co.uk/culture/20 ... on-review/)
I don't think you'd keep going back to that, Susie!
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The guff reviewers come out with in defence of this living morgue defies belief. Nature in all her ancient glory teaches us daily about transience and mortality - we don't need childish lessons from an arrogant fool like Hirst.
Yes, David - you are right about the South American. I would look up the reference except it broke my heart the first time I researched it and I don't want to again. He also had a lame excuse, about highlighting suffering or some nonsense - but if he had simply adopted the dog and looked after it he would have done infinitely more good.
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Don't they mate and lay &c. at Wisley, to produce later generations? If the butterflies there are only 'on display' then sadly I fear you're right. It won't lessen my contempt for Hirst, though!Susie wrote:The butterflies at Wisley aren't able to produce offspring which have a chance of survival which so far as I am concerned is their main purpose in life.
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I share your dislike of what Hirst has done.
At Wisley they can mate and lay, as I imagine they could do in Hirst's 'Art' but the eggs don't fulfill their life cycle. They are picked off, swept up, and destroyed. Last year I watched a butterfly full off eggs flying from plant to plant and tasting it with her feet. She was looking for the larval food plant but it wasnt there. I don't know what she did, perhaps she laid her eggs on something she knew was wrong out of desperation but I could feel how uncomfortable she was. That was the moment Wisley lost it's charm for me.
Sorry for going off topic but I am curious why the RSPCA raise one issue and not the other when there really is little difference.
At Wisley they can mate and lay, as I imagine they could do in Hirst's 'Art' but the eggs don't fulfill their life cycle. They are picked off, swept up, and destroyed. Last year I watched a butterfly full off eggs flying from plant to plant and tasting it with her feet. She was looking for the larval food plant but it wasnt there. I don't know what she did, perhaps she laid her eggs on something she knew was wrong out of desperation but I could feel how uncomfortable she was. That was the moment Wisley lost it's charm for me.
Sorry for going off topic but I am curious why the RSPCA raise one issue and not the other when there really is little difference.
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I empathise, Guy. Normally, I would find a link in circumstances such as these but I really don't wish to inflict such an outrage on others.padfield wrote:
Yes, David - you are right about the South American. I would look up the reference except it broke my heart the first time I researched it and I don't want to again. He also had a lame excuse, about highlighting suffering or some nonsense - but if he had simply adopted the dog and looked after it he would have done infinitely more good.
I actually feel guilty as I felt more appalled over this than most news stories involving human suffering. Perhaps there is a common theme in that - i.e. we, as human beings, never feel more outraged than when the recipient of the cruelty is someone/something that is so inherently innocent and trusting as to make itself a sitting target for such abuse.
I genuinely don't know how some people can sleep in their beds at night....
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Well, it's certainly not worse than the south American 'artist' who starved a dog, that's for sure.Susie wrote:I don't like what Damien Hirst has done but it has made me wonder if it is actually worse than anything else where we use animals for our own purposes.