That is normally the case at this time of year, Dave. I think they're too busy feeding up before the flowers disappear to concern themselves with other distractions.millerd wrote:...plus a couple of Large Whites on the buddleia - one of each sex, but they took no notice of each other whatsoever
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Hi! Dave , love the shots of the open winged Whites, Goldie ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
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I think you must be right, David - I saw the same lack of interest again today.
Thank you, Goldie - they must be some of the trickiest butterflies to persuade to open up. They go just so far - and no further...
Monday 11th September: more sunshine here and there, and reasonable temperatures (up to 20 degrees or thereabouts). I stayed local today, and was rewarded with the sight of at least 30 Red Admirals in various locations throughout the walk. They were largely newly emerged individuals, and most were enjoying the wealth of ivy flowers there are now to be found everywhere. Some, however, had metaphorically adjourned to the pub and were making the most of the fermenting blackberries instead. Fresh new Commas were also now appearing and one or two of these were also indulging in Mother Nature's alcoholic bounty. Most were just basking. There was a single Peacock, possibly the one seen a couple of days ago, which preferred the dandelions to the ivy and basked lower down. A scattering of Speckled Woods and assorted whites completed the picture. Though there is very little real variation between different individual Red Admirals (with the main exception of some having the extra white spot: var. bialbata), I did notice one with a noticeable additional patch of red scales towards the tip of the forewings. Dave
Thank you, Goldie - they must be some of the trickiest butterflies to persuade to open up. They go just so far - and no further...
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Monday 11th September: more sunshine here and there, and reasonable temperatures (up to 20 degrees or thereabouts). I stayed local today, and was rewarded with the sight of at least 30 Red Admirals in various locations throughout the walk. They were largely newly emerged individuals, and most were enjoying the wealth of ivy flowers there are now to be found everywhere. Some, however, had metaphorically adjourned to the pub and were making the most of the fermenting blackberries instead. Fresh new Commas were also now appearing and one or two of these were also indulging in Mother Nature's alcoholic bounty. Most were just basking. There was a single Peacock, possibly the one seen a couple of days ago, which preferred the dandelions to the ivy and basked lower down. A scattering of Speckled Woods and assorted whites completed the picture. Though there is very little real variation between different individual Red Admirals (with the main exception of some having the extra white spot: var. bialbata), I did notice one with a noticeable additional patch of red scales towards the tip of the forewings. Dave
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Hi! Dave, I see your into Red Admiral's has well
I've just seen one today with a huge blotch of white on it's wing and there seems to be a lot of the bialbata ab's about this year too. Goldie ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Tuesday 12th September: The forecast was for another sunny morning at least, so I decided another trip down to Bookham couldn't hurt. The first butterfly was a brand new Comma.
The Small Coppers were the principal attraction again today, with perhaps even a few more around than last week - at least a dozen. There were more Commas too ( I think I counted eight in various places during the morning), including another definite newly emerged individual. The tell-tale splash of meconium could be seen on the leaf below, and as we watched, the butterfly expelled another visible droplet. There were two or three Red Admirals (nothing like the numbers I've been seeing on my local patch), a few Speckled Woods and the last couple of faded Meadow Browns. Buggy and I disturbed another butterfly from near the ground, and it made its way up and over the hedge - almost certainly a Brown Hairstreak. This supposition was reinforced later when Buggy had a definite BH sighting and the individual concerned flew in exactly the same fashion. I made do with successfully locating a single BH egg. In the end, I was unable to resist the variety and brilliance of the Small Coppers. At one point several were in the same area, and a male accosted a female in no uncertain terms. However, despite him getting very close to success, she decided to escape his attentions.
Finally, there are a couple of things to be identified, one caterpillar... ...and one moth.
Dave
Then, for the third or fourth time here this summer, I bumped into Bugboy - whose mind clearly works in a similar fashion. Good to see you again, Buggy! ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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Hi Dave, nice to bump into once again, sorry you missed out on a Hairstreak but those Coppers are a good compensation. You did much better with the Commas than me though, only saw that one!
That caterpillar isn't what I thought it was, its a Knot Grass Acronicta rumicis and the moth well....
looking through my guides I'm leaning strongly towards something called Dewicks Plusia Macdunnoughia confusa, a rare migrant with about 50 records on the British list. Might be worth sending the picture to the local BC branch to get the expert eyes on it![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
That caterpillar isn't what I thought it was, its a Knot Grass Acronicta rumicis and the moth well....
looking through my guides I'm leaning strongly towards something called Dewicks Plusia Macdunnoughia confusa, a rare migrant with about 50 records on the British list. Might be worth sending the picture to the local BC branch to get the expert eyes on it
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I've just Googled that moth and I think you're right, Buggy. I'm glad I stopped to get a shot or two of it. UK Moths says:
"This moth is a vagrant to Britain, having occurred only a few dozen times, mostly attracted to light on the south and east coasts. August is the optimum month for this species, but records have occurred between July and October."
Goodness - I'll contact the BC Surrey branch and see what they say.
Dave
"This moth is a vagrant to Britain, having occurred only a few dozen times, mostly attracted to light on the south and east coasts. August is the optimum month for this species, but records have occurred between July and October."
Goodness - I'll contact the BC Surrey branch and see what they say.
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A well found Moth. Did it excite you as much as a rare Butterfly migrant ?, probably not.
But it does sound like a major find, so well done !.
Like you I've found plenty of fresh Commas and Red Admirals feeding up before hibernation,
a great sight at this time of year. Lovely Pics.
Trevor.
But it does sound like a major find, so well done !.
Like you I've found plenty of fresh Commas and Red Admirals feeding up before hibernation,
a great sight at this time of year. Lovely Pics.
Trevor.
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Nice find, Dave,millerd wrote: "This moth is a vagrant to Britain, having occurred only a few dozen times, mostly attracted to light on the south and east coasts. August is the optimum month for this species, but records have occurred between July and October."
One was also reported by Colin Knight on the Sussex coast on 9th September, so there could have been a small influx.
http://www.sussex-butterflies.org.uk/sightings/
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Trying to catch up with your PD Dave which is proving difficult what with me working and you not
Cracking set of white images, Question Mark (odd Comma) and to cap it all a rare vagrant moth
By the way when you mentioned 'they must be some of the trickiest butterflies to persuade to open up.' are you now branching out into White Whispering as well?
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Well he does have a fair bit of spare time on his hands nowWurzel wrote:... By the way when you mentioned 'they must be some of the trickiest butterflies to persuade to open up.' are you now branching out into White Whispering as well?![]()
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Thanks, Trevor, and no, there wasn't the same frisson of excitement around this as there would have been if it was a Camberwell Beauty for example.
However, once again this was an ID after the event, and maybe if I'd known what it was at the time I wouldn't have been so casual taking a few snaps of it down in the grass.
Thanks, Vince - interesting to know that at least one other has been seen recently. I've let the moth recorder for Surrey know, and am waiting for a reply back (which may have some other news of them of course).
You're right about the retirement lark, Wurzel (and Buggy!). Any sign of the sun and I'm off out!
The nearest part of my local patch is only two minutes walk away and most of what I'm seeing at the moment is on this part - it has a large wild buddleia, loads of ivy in full flower (and in full sun for much of the day), and lots of bramble too. It's also sheltered for the most part. And talking of whispering... Guess what appears in the post below?
Wednesday 13th September: After the overnight blow with attendant lashing rain, the day dawned brilliant blue, and amazingly remained sunny for good portions of the day. I confined my attentions to my local area, with a couple of forays before and after midday. Commas were to be found all over the place today... ...and two at least were seen prior to their maiden flights, with the telltale signs of meconium on the foliage beneath them. There were once again dozens of Red Admirals, many of which also appeared brand new. A Peacock joined them on the ivy today... ...eschewing the dandelions, which were left to the Whites... ...to a solitary Small Copper... ...and to a single Small Tortoiseshell. This last individual had rather a granular look to it, which may well be recognisible next spring if it survives the winter. Another singleton, rarely found in this particular area, was a very worn Small Heath. Finally, to cap a very productive day, I spotted two separate Holly Blues. One of these was down low, and not flying far. It turned out to be brand new male, probably a third brood individual (given today's date and the earliness of the second brood this year). Dave
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Thanks, Vince - interesting to know that at least one other has been seen recently. I've let the moth recorder for Surrey know, and am waiting for a reply back (which may have some other news of them of course).
You're right about the retirement lark, Wurzel (and Buggy!). Any sign of the sun and I'm off out!
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Wednesday 13th September: After the overnight blow with attendant lashing rain, the day dawned brilliant blue, and amazingly remained sunny for good portions of the day. I confined my attentions to my local area, with a couple of forays before and after midday. Commas were to be found all over the place today... ...and two at least were seen prior to their maiden flights, with the telltale signs of meconium on the foliage beneath them. There were once again dozens of Red Admirals, many of which also appeared brand new. A Peacock joined them on the ivy today... ...eschewing the dandelions, which were left to the Whites... ...to a solitary Small Copper... ...and to a single Small Tortoiseshell. This last individual had rather a granular look to it, which may well be recognisible next spring if it survives the winter. Another singleton, rarely found in this particular area, was a very worn Small Heath. Finally, to cap a very productive day, I spotted two separate Holly Blues. One of these was down low, and not flying far. It turned out to be brand new male, probably a third brood individual (given today's date and the earliness of the second brood this year). Dave
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Great Holly Blues Dave, looks like you've still got the knack
Nice to see the Small Torts out before they head off for bed til February
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Nice find with the Dewicks Plusia Dave
...that one would have been the find of the year for some I know up here.
I am still getting the odd second brood Holly Blue lingering around my garden in the odd bit of sun between all the heavy showers, looking well tired now though.
Cheers,
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I am still getting the odd second brood Holly Blue lingering around my garden in the odd bit of sun between all the heavy showers, looking well tired now though.
Cheers,
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Those two Holly Blues were quite a find, Dave, and I should imagine quite a surprise.
I'll have to keep an eye on the old railway.
Trevor.
PS.High and Over might be worth another visit.
I'll have to keep an eye on the old railway.
Trevor.
PS.High and Over might be worth another visit.
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Thanks, all.
Third brood Holly Blues are an annual event round here, sometimes in surprising numbers. Hopefully the weather will settle a bit and there will be a few more.
The moth was extraordinary luck, Neil. I thought it was a Silver-Y as it flew to ground, but behaved entirely differently and just sat there as I took its picture. I had no idea what it was until Buggy did the initial research.
I will try and fit in another little trip down your way next week, Trevor...
Thursday 14th September: Another surprisingly sunny day with showers avoided on my local patch at least. More interest today - the first surprise was another migrant moth! However, this was a Hummingbird Hawk, the first I have ever seen round here. The photos were somewhat disappointing though, partly as the sun kept going in and out.
There were more Commas... ...more Red Admirals... ...and more Speckled Woods. The only Holly Blues today stayed up high in the ivy up in an ash tree, sparring with (and thoroughly outnumbered by) Red Admirals. However, to compensate I came across a lovely fresh male Common Blue, probably also a third brood individual as I haven't seen a fresh one for some while now. Another very good day!
Dave
Third brood Holly Blues are an annual event round here, sometimes in surprising numbers. Hopefully the weather will settle a bit and there will be a few more.
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I will try and fit in another little trip down your way next week, Trevor...
Thursday 14th September: Another surprisingly sunny day with showers avoided on my local patch at least. More interest today - the first surprise was another migrant moth! However, this was a Hummingbird Hawk, the first I have ever seen round here. The photos were somewhat disappointing though, partly as the sun kept going in and out.
There were more Commas... ...more Red Admirals... ...and more Speckled Woods. The only Holly Blues today stayed up high in the ivy up in an ash tree, sparring with (and thoroughly outnumbered by) Red Admirals. However, to compensate I came across a lovely fresh male Common Blue, probably also a third brood individual as I haven't seen a fresh one for some while now. Another very good day!
Dave
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Great selection, Dave - a gorgeous and rare Hummingbird Hawk moth, a fresh looking Common Blue and I just love those Red Admiral/Comma combos...a real taste of autumn!
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Hi! Dave, Great find for you, ( the moth )
I'm still chasing that Holly Blue in the Garden, it suddenly appears then pops over next door's garden.
Lovely shots of the the Butterflies too . Goldie ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Thank you, David. It was great to see the Hummingbird Hawkmoth - I haven't seen one anywhere this year, and to come upon one two minutes from home was a very pleasant surprise. I'm glad you liked the two Comma+Red Admiral shots - a bit of whimsy on my part alternating the focus...
Thank you too, Goldie - Holly Blues can be very frustrating like that and can cover quite a distance before stopping.
If you can catch up with them when they do they are worth the effort.
Friday 15th September: More local butterflies. Despite more lovely Commas and Red Admirals, including more newly-emerged examples of the former, I concentrated on the Whites. During the rest of the year they get neglected through being thoroughly uncooperative, but currently their habits have changed and much time is spent nectaring on the dandelions - they have little or no interest in the ivy or the blackberries. This makes them easier to approach. Large Whites... ...a male GVW... ...and a lovely and very new female Small White. OK, in the end I couldn't resist the Commas. The second one seems to be floating above the ivy... Dave
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Thank you too, Goldie - Holly Blues can be very frustrating like that and can cover quite a distance before stopping.
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Friday 15th September: More local butterflies. Despite more lovely Commas and Red Admirals, including more newly-emerged examples of the former, I concentrated on the Whites. During the rest of the year they get neglected through being thoroughly uncooperative, but currently their habits have changed and much time is spent nectaring on the dandelions - they have little or no interest in the ivy or the blackberries. This makes them easier to approach. Large Whites... ...a male GVW... ...and a lovely and very new female Small White. OK, in the end I couldn't resist the Commas. The second one seems to be floating above the ivy... Dave
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Fantastic shots Dave, it's difficult keeping up with your rate of posting
Those Commas are lush as are the Whites and the Blues, in fact they're all mighty good but the best of the lot for me was the third Hummingbird Hawkmoth - brilliantly captured especially when you consider that the wings when viewed like that a actually just a blur
Have a goodun
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